Zelenskyy thanks US after House passes aid bill
Zelenskyy thanks US after House passes aid bill
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other European leaders have applauded the US for passing a vital €89 billion aid bill which has been struggling to make it through the House of Representatives for months.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other European leaders have applauded the US for passing a vital €89 billion aid bill which has been struggling to make it through the House of Representatives for months.
The House swiftly approved roughly €89 billion in foreign aid for Ukraine, Israel and other US allies in a rare Saturday session as Democrats and Republicans banded together after months of hard-right resistance over renewed American support for repelling Russia’s invasion.
With an overwhelming vote, €57 billion in aid for Ukraine passed in a matter of minutes, a strong showing as American lawmakers race to deliver a fresh round of US support to the war-torn ally. Many Democrats cheered on the House floor and waved blue-and-yellow flags of Ukraine.
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The republican traitor filth should be sent to the front, to fight for their motherland.
Fuck Russian scum, I hope the US missiles and tanks fuckin hurt. Putin is a goatfucker too.
Fuck Russian scum
This should be banned for hate based on national origin
You have more in common with the Russian working class that is being sent to die in Ukraine than you have in common with American billionaires.
Putin, Russian Oligarchs, and American Oligarchs are your enemies. Not the common Russian men that are conscripted against their will to die for no reason
Cry harder that the Soviet Union collapsed and left the majority of Russian males a bunch of hopeless drunks obeying a piece of shit dictator like Putin. Cry harder that Ukraine resisted an unwarranted invasion based on fear of Russia's continually waning power. Cry harder that Wagner almost kicked Putin's ass and caused the Kremlin to have to backtrack.
When I say "fuck Russian scum", there are plenty of good hearted Russians, but the scum, fuck them. Putin is scum, btw, a piece of shit goat-fucking wannabe BITCH.
the Soviet Union collapsed and left the majority of Russian males a bunch of hopeless drunks obeying a piece of shit dictator like Putin
If that's true, then aren't they victims of the lottery of birth who deserve our compassion and pity? There but for the grace of God go you or I; we could have easily been born in Russia instead of here - and would be suffering the consequences accordingly
Putin's actions are a seperate issue. But the common Russians are largely blameless for the actions of their country
If that’s true, then aren’t they victims of the lottery of birth who deserve our compassion and pity?
Did I say they don't deserve compassion or pity? Deserving of it they may be, that alone might be even more insulting to them than what I said. One thing that didn't change from Soviet era is that everyone must follow the political platform with a figurative gun to their head. It's ok to say that the Russian invasion is wrong, and the US's missiles and tanks will be blasting servicemen to bits who do not deserve to be blown to bits, but they will be violently killed, as it is a war.
Asking them nicely to stop invading isn't going to work.
If this war is so important to you, why are you not over there right now fighting instead of a conscripted Ukrainian?
Get back to servicing putin’s schlong, traitor.
Oh wow, what a unique insult...
The republican traitor filth should be sent to the front
Its curious to see someone propose that the punishment for opposing a war is to fight in it. But the reward for supporting the war is to profit from it.
Its curious to see someone propose that the punishment for opposing a war is to fight in it.
Isn't that literally the Russian policy?
I think the Russian policy is to conscript anyone currently in jail. But the Russian Federation has one of the highest prison populations in the world (475 per 100,000). The lion's share of that population is guilty of petty theft, illegal drug use/sales, and vagrancy/illegal encampment.
The US gave up on this conscription strategy after the Vietnam War, when a bunch of minority community groups like the Black Panthers and the Raza Unida Party started cropping up.
I can't find what I was talking about now, but I'm sure there were reports about mobilisation being used as a punishment for speaking out against the "special military operation".
There's definitely instances of Russian political dissidents being thrown in jail. And from there, they'd get sucked up into the jail-to-combat pipeline.
This isn't strictly unusual for government agencies. The California state fire patrol is composed largely of prison labor. But training dissidents and vagrants in the art of war carries its own basket of problems. It only works if you do the Iran-Iraq War trick and have your dissidents-turned-soldiers in the worst possible conditions (in that case, Iranian Revolution student protesters were turned into shock troops expected to run across Iraqi mine fields).
In the current state of the Ukraine-Russia War, its the Russians hiding behind the mine fields and the Ukrainians charging across them. But I'm more than confident that there's some other low-skill high-lethality job for them to do. Maybe playing "The Most Dangerous Game" against Ukrainian drones, so Russian anti-drone units can target and shoot them down.
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The USA stopped using conscription because Vietnam was unpopular with everyone
The US stopped using conscription in January of 1973, two months before the last helicopters exited Vietnam. The major protests against Vietnam had largely fizzled out by the late 60s, as the war was primarily an air war focused on bombing and gassing Vietnamese dissidents into submission. And, if you're truly familiar with your US history, you'll know that this is when the popularization of the POW/MIA came to fruition thanks to the John Birch Society and Ross Perot.
But Nixon's decision in '71 to end conscription was more to do with the success of the Civil Rights Movement in galvanizing former WW2, Korea, and Vietnam Veterans to its cause, when Nixon's goal was to recast these dissidents as criminals and drug addicts. As the economy stalled out under his presidency, military enlistment was actually on the rise and conscription served no real purpose.
Conscription is still a thing in the USA, it just hasn’t been used since Vietnam.
Registration is still a thing, although even then there's been a number of big fights over how one's gender and sexual orientation would affect enlistment.
But conscription, as a policy, has been abandoned as the military has relied increasingly on its officer's corpse and private contractor base to manage military operations. The political gains to an expanded MIC plus the liabilities of an armed and organized working class mean it no longer has a place in the model we use for conducting invasions and occupations.
Fuck off with this disingenuous horseshit. They’re not opposed to this war. They’re opposed to helping the resistance to Russia’s imperialism, because they’re russian puppets.
Oh geez...you're spending way too much time on Lemmy/Reddit...Republicans are all in favor of helping Ukraine, they're just more careful about sending billions and billions and it becomes an endless money pit...that shit happens all the time, and the Republicans are the "traitors" for questioning why and where all the money is being sent. If it was up to Democrats, there'd be NO questions.... just send money!
I didn't see them pinching the pennies when they were trying to build pointless their 2000 mile border wall
"The United States needs to stop getting involved in everyone else's business" - Sincerely, The World
"The United States needs to do more to get involved in everyone else's business" - Sincerely, The World
I swear... if it's not a war that's supported by the Left, than we're all traitors for questioning the finances behind it...
I like it when people and institutions do good things, I dislike it when people and institutions do bad things, simply enough. If there's one or two good things the US does at the geopolitical stage, and they hesitate, I'm just going to sigh in dissapointment.
Ukraine is supported by the entire Free World. Putin's Evil Empire and imperialist war of aggression is supported by neofascists.
Dont lump democrats in with the left, we see them as right wing
Who cares what Russia says? They're also claiming Ukraine is rightfully there's...the point is to make sure the funds are doing what they're supposed too. If both sides just say "here, take whatever you want!" what good is that? It's about checks and balances, we don't want this to turn into another Vietnam...
Who cares what Russia says? They're also claiming Ukraine is rightfully there's...the point is to make sure the funds are doing what they're supposed too. If both sides just say "here, take whatever you want!" what good is that? It's about checks and balances, we don't want this to turn into another Vietnam...
Who cares what Russia says? They're also claiming Ukraine is rightfully there's...the point is to make sure the funds are doing what they're supposed too. If both sides just say "here, take whatever you want!" what good is that? It's about checks and balances, we don't want this to turn into another Vietnam...
That's not what the republicans blocking the aid have been saying: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67649497
Here's the facts:
- freedom is hard and expensive
- the conservative "I got mine;fuck you" doesn't work when it's 'others' in need; it doesn't even work when it's poorer Americans in need
- the sea lion questioning is a stalling tactic; always has been.
- Republicans can't even keep a Senate leader, and this guy was right up their seditious theocratic enslaving-women hell-hole alley. They will readily agree to nothing that doesn't fit their cruel and narrow ideological dependencies.
It always was going to BE a money pit, as that's the alternative to Normandy and ditching the UN shackles (which is a terrible idea but required).
Time to spend 1/10th as much on Ukraine's military as America spends on its own, and solve this shit.
House of Representatives majority leader, not Senate.
But otherwise, yes.
Good points, with noting that the aid to Ukraine can easily be justified from a selfish perspective. The fact that it's also a truly just cause isn't really part of the equation for a lot of those politicians.
Get back to servicing putin’s dick.
Hey man, I'm all in favor in helping Ukraine, I think we should absolutely do what we need to do...as do most Republicans. However, if history has taught us anything, it's also that we cannot be an endless money pit for European affairs. I have no issues giving Ukraine money, but I think it's always a good thing to question everything.
if history has taught us anything,
...it is that appeasement causes far greater problems in the long term. We need Churchill not Chamberlain.
Exactly Bernie Sanders' reasons behind his view on foreign policy and why that money should go to improving the well-being of those that work for it.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I thought Lemmy's self-proclaimed left-wingers loved Bernie. Apparently they hate him now.
"First, it is imperative that we support Ukraine’s valiant effort to defend itself against Putin’s invasion. If Ukraine falls, it will be a signal to Putin that he can continue to expand his authoritarian aggression against democratic nations" -Bernie Sanders
What does that quote have to do with anything?
There is no correlation. You can be fully supportive of Ukraine and be fully supportive of US expenditure being domestically focused, cautious of foreign aid plans, exactly ZK686's position as well.
Yes. Bernie massively supports Ukraine. Obviously.
But, Bernie was also part of the reason the bill kept being delayed.
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Sanders, Welch Break with Democrats to Vote ‘No’ on Israel, Ukraine Aid Package - sanders.senate.gov
And why was that? Well, now we're finally back on topic... Sanders has always been opposed to foreign aid and foreign policy when American public are in need. This especially to not emptying money with no plan into "a bottomless pit." If you've somehow missed it in his speeches and debates over the decades, you can read more about it in his letter which specifically covers this topic amongst others...
It is mirroring what ZK686 is saying.
But because ZK686 seems to have identified as a republican from "the other tribe", when they say it it's horseshit and woffle and we get the spears and rocks out, amiright?
This place sometimes. Absolute circus... Every village has its idiots; whether red or blue makes no difference.
Anybody who will actually take the time to read your comment by this point knows you're full of shit. Republicans aren't the party of fiscal responsibility. The only situation in which they actually care about saving money is if it saves money for their 1% handlers.
So, there should NO questioning funds that are sent all over the world? The US should just say "here, take whatever you want!"
Funding this proxy war is probably the absolute smartest thing the US could do. The Ukrainians are badasses (read up on their ice fortress revolution in 2014) and are fighting for their homeland. Russia is our second most powerful adversary in the world (and are far more adversarial with us than China) and this war is draining their morale and economy.
I'm genuinely thankful you've made it this obvious how much of a fucking moron you are as I can block you immediately and get on with my day.
Let me guess, only left politics and democrats are your happy place? God forbid anyone disagrees...
Now I have you tagged as "liar"
Every dollar send to help Ukraine will save about 10 dollars you don't have to spend in a full out war.
It's an easy calculation only a Russian shill or the people dumb enough to believe their lies would dispute.
Why are you being down voted? Is this place becoming an I support the current thing place too?
If the current thing is the least worst option, then yes. If you can't see it's about least-worst and not branding, you may need to repeat some courses.
It might be a commentary on critical thinking, who knows? Definitely not you!
Critical thinking was not taught to me in school or university. Just memorize, spew nonsense to score more points on 'analysis' questions and google the fuck out of everything.
Yes, it's Reddit 2.0: "This is a Liberal/Democrat site ONLY!"
Always has been. Full of Biden cock suckers
Fucking old cock. Disgusting