Honest question: what is your ideas for a solution in Palestine/Israel
Honest question: what is your ideas for a solution in Palestine/Israel
First off, I’m truly asking this in good faith, please be nice but correct me too on anything I saw that’s stupid.
As an anarchism, my ideal solution for Palestine is a no-state solution where people are allowed to move freely, interact freely, and work being done on both sides to heal from the decades of conflict and live in one society.
Now you folks (I love you folks) aren’t all anarchists and I’d love to hear your thoughts. Sometimes I’ll see people saying that all Israelis should just move somewhere else, but I think that’s really dumb. Both sides seem to be operating on the assumption that the other group will leave, which in my opinion is just as racist thinking as saying all the Palestinians should just leave.
So what are the tankie’s (/j) thoughts.
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Settlers can stay if they wish, they just wont be settlers anymore. Make it secular and ruthlessly remove all traces of apartheid. And just for fun make it a two-state solution. One state for Palestinians and another state also for Palestinians. Call it Palestine 2
What about this new system makes people living in stolen homes and/or on stolen land no longer “settlers”?
How safe would you feel if the army and police that used to protect you in your stolen house were suddenly not there any more? Best that armed settlers could do is flee toward each other and consolidate their firepower and then its just Palestinians building a defensive perimeter around them to wait them out.
I didn’t get the impression op was implying forcibly removing the settlers, which seems to be the conclude you’ve made. I agree that’s the conclusion, but one can’t just assume that settlers will voluntarily give back the stolen property because they live in a secular equal state
Depends on what we mean by "forcibly removing".
Are we talking about Palestinian militia walking shoulder to shoulder herding all the settlers out of everywhere? Or just random acts of tension and violence that would make a settler feel unsafe where they are and to move away?
one can’t just assume that settlers will voluntarily give back the stolen property because they live in a secular equal state
No disagreements with you there. Would be a WHOLE lot of court cases trying to track down who lived where and when and who is related to an original owner of a patch of land during the first nakba tons of lawyering to try to figure out what kind of restitution the hurt party would agree to or demand.
Ideally, per above, the lack of protection would convince the majority to leave. I think we’re very much in agreement as to how the situation ought to be resolved, I was just curious about what I saw as waving away the question by turning the settlers into non settlers
Fair.
I guess my brain is separating the issue with Settlers into to processes(?). One where there is an active political/military project behind the Settlers and another where there are just people who immigrated into an area they personally have little social connections to the area but don't have any special political/military protections. Though it probably doesn't matter in a real world situation so much.