It seems that people like being in crisis, rather than having stability.
It seems that people like being in crisis, rather than having stability.
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It seems that people like being in crisis, rather than having stability.
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When the status quo is no longer survivable, what do you think people want to happen?
I'm removing this entire thread. Please don't respond to the trolls. Make your point and then walk away.
Racism, misogyny, and billionaires getting richer?
Sure, but the status quo was killing them, and Biden/Harris promised the status quo.
So maybe one of those things won't kill them. Or won't kill them as slowly.
If the same people that tell you record credit card debt and defaults mean a booming economy are telling you all people are equal, well you might start to question it, especially if you constantly are bombarded by propaganda reinforcing the latter being a lie.
What choice did they have? Continue dying by people explicitly lying to them? Or maybe try to give in to the other guy even if they don't agree with him? Or maybe even just say fuck it and hope Trump does as much damage as possible and hope for something to grow from the ashes.
Then those people are morons, because they already saw what the “other guy” is. I could forgive it in 2016. But that piece of shit lied, wrecked the economy, incited a fucking insurrection, and constantly distracted from real problems with nonstop reality tv drama. We all know who the “other guy” is, and he’s far worse than the status quo. The only possible point in your explanation is the nihilistic one, but voting to end the world is ignorant and selfish. By doing so, that person is actively condoning way more suffering for others. That is far worse than whatever status quo they perceive.
If you voted for this monster knowing all that has been done and all claims of what will be done, blood is on your hands and you have no right to claim innocence. With all that will come, remember that you actively chose this path.
And you people will never have power again and never make them suffer again.
That's the point they want to make. Yeah, it might be worse, but you fucks won't be their owners like you have been.
They picked their owner, since they never had the option to be free.
Cutting off the nose to spite the face, got it. So mature and productive.
Closer to 'bring down the enemy with you.'
And before you make excuses, yes, Dems have acted as an enemy to a large number of American people. Not the culture war bullshit, just the economic and drug war.
People are desperate and dying. Dem officials being insider trading hypocrites mean it's super easy to propagandized against them. Dem states tending towards being wealthier and having an overall arrogant air about them means it's easy to lump every dem in with the outspoken rich cali voter that sees all Republicans as cousin fucking "morons".
So why would they care about you; you, by their view of lumping you in with all rich people, have been killing them for decades.
For what it’s worth, I am not rich and live in the deep-red south.
So, to summarize: Enrich the corrupt billionaires against your own self-interest and wellbeing to own the libs… brilliant. I guess you sure taught us a lesson!
He's troll baiting. Don't take the bait.
... They didn't vote for Dems, so your summary seems wrong.
"This ice is really thin and dangerous. I should kick down hard on it so I die."
"this ice in the middle of the Pacific Ocean is thin, dangerous, and shrinking quickly, and I already maxed out my credit cards and all loans just to live below the poverty line. I can either break the ice and hope I grow gills or wait the last few hours of hydration I have left for help that I was explicitly told wasn't coming because they said no one was on the ice."
Ftfy.
When the alternative is a fascist dictatorship? Uhh... gee... I DON'T KNOW!
They're dying and suffering either way. Four years of Biden was the straw that broke all hope for anything ever getting better.
Pretty much all classes of Americans lost all hope according to both general polls on the subject and the massive amount of new credit card debt and historic high records of defaults on all debts, front mortgages to car loans to credit cards to personal loans.
What do they care about a fascist dictatorship? They're going to die poor within a decade anyway. Nothing was getting better. From the perspective of a trump voter, Trump at worst was acceleration to the inevitable, with a chance he makes things better.
Until you people understand why fascists can seize power and how people actually think, you will always lose and require the left to fix your fuck ups. Again.
What do they care about a fascist dictatorship? They’re going to die poor within a decade anyway.
So might as well drag everyone to die along with them. Right. Things are bad, so let's just make them WORSE!
That is not only a very pessimistic perspective, but a very stupid one as well.
The power wasn't taken. It was given. The writing was on the wall. People knew what was going to happen. Project 2025 was known and it was what was going to happen. People still voted for it.
In short, yes.
Why the fuck would they care about rich fucks like you? What have you done for them, at all, ever?
As far as Dems are concerned, both the party and seemingly it's voters, anyone poor and white deserves it and worse.
If you refuse to meet people where they are and instead dictate how you think their life should be without any reasoning or arguments provided, people will reject you even without a history of explicitly abandoning the working class when you were needed the most.
Project 2025 doesn't scare normal people. It's awful, sure, but it's not worse. It's not worse than being denied benefits for 30 years and having to scrape by in mutual aid network of neighbors and family. It's not worse than being laid off with no available work within a hundred miles and having to just live. It's not worse than seeing your family wiped out over the last 5 decades. It's not worse than the US government personally guaranteeing opioids are a safe non addictive treatment for the pain your non union job gave you.
It's simply not worse than barely not surviving. Sorry you're just now suffering. Maybe listen to the left next time when we tell you not to fucking brag about the economy to people out of work and killing themselves. maybe don't message about trans rights to people that can't afford healthcare even with the ACA. Maybe don't celebrate giving another 100 billion to fucking Ukraine when there are people living near open sewage lines and glad to have that right here in the US. Maybe don't celebrate immigration when you know you're not punishing the companies hiring the undocumented over native workers or try to 'correct the record's about how hard immigrants have it to a group thats been economically depressed since before the personal computer came out.
Life was better for you, great, it wasn't for most Americans. It sucks you're getting dragged down to where your fellow Americans are. Maybe, though, class solidarity. Maybe, though, treat them like humans for the first time. Maybe, though, be better than any Democrat.
rich fucks like you
LoL!
You completely misinterpreted my comment thanks to your twisted perception. And your reasoning makes ko sense at all. Biden has done so much for the working class and Trump is tearing it all down. This was the obviously conclusion.
This isn't desperate people trying to get out of the status quo. This is imbeciles who believed a con man a SECOND FUCKING TIME after he already screwed them over once. And this second time around he had a whole bigger team that would exploit him to execute their white supremacist fascist plan. And it was known!
So spare me that bullshit about poor working class people looking for something different. It's a bunch of stupid intolerant hicks who voted Trump because they don't understand what a trans person is.
You're exactly the bigoted type of 'person' that needs to learn solidarity before you become perpetually confused as to why you're always going to lose.
Are you an idiot or something? Biden did a fuckton for the working class lol.
Biden's admin :
Did I mention he reduced violent crime, strengthened gun control, made birth control OTC, and that he did all of these broadly popular things alongside protections for minorities like trans people while dealing with every other branch of government and the Supreme Court being actively hostile?
Things are fucking awful for sure, that's late stage capitalism for ya, but they could be a helluva lot worse, and Biden and his admin is genuinely to thank for some of that.
What was actually the problem with Biden again? That he's just kind of old or like, not a very charismatic guy or something?
Who the fuck cares if Biden mumbles, an ideal president should be a bookish nerdy guy with strong principles and belief in something who grew up to be able to tell whats baloney and what isn't so he can hire competent, genuine people who will give him good advice he can implement.
So you vote in another old, barely coherent guy but this one is also a corrupt racist convict backed by oligarchs and probably also Egypt and definitely Russia, who may or may not turn the country into a dictatorial clown show and who also made everything worse last time and embarrassed the nation on the global stage?
Because what - he dances funny? Makes fun of veterans? Says Obama founded ISIS? Promoted horse dewormer as a cure? Is actually a puppet for the dogecoin meme guy who wants to destroy the entire federal government?
Or are you just nostalgic about the Walmart toilet paper brawls?
What's next, he's gonna get shirtless and ride a bear too?
I'm starting to think you Americans have genuine brainrot. Do you really think removing pronouns from emails and mentions of gay people from the CDC is going to save the economy?
If you want Left-Wing change (better employee protections, less inequality, affordable housing and rent, less exploitation, green policy, minority rights etc), you vote for the most Left-Wing choice you have and you vote hard and you do it over and over for a decade or so, then they get comfortable and brave and the more leftie factions can sway centrists in the party without worrying about losing elections.
For a local example see the state of California, their Dems are way to the left of the Centre-Right that the national Dems occupy, and that's because they don't have to worry about being voted out and can afford to not please some of the electorate
Idk about the guy you replied to but I'm not "rich folks" by any stretch of the imagination and we here in the UK have it even worse, so much worse than y'all have it with at least dreams of six figure salaries where here it's fucking feudal, you're either a landlord or you're piss broke.
What I'd like to know is why your country went full retard, because I don't want the UK to also go full retard.
And lets not forget that where Biden had limited success it was largely due to Republicans blocking attempts to improve things, not because there weren't any attempts by his administration or the Democrats. I will never understood how poor people think the party of unbridled corruption is on their side.
To answer your bullet point list:
I hate that you fucking fascists use the firehose tactic this fucking often to advocate for your bullshit. I'm shocked you're on db0, I thought they had a screening process.
You're genuinely stupid. I don't mean that as an insult, but as a condition that you have.
This is ridiculous.
Serious number of posts you have made for a 2 week old account.
I use social media to be social. This always struck me as a weird tactic for ad hominem, can I ask why you people use it?
Your post history says otherwise.
So i don't make a lot of posts now?
You're a professional agitator.
No, I'm just disagreeing with you. You know you're not important enough to waste money on. No you're not being gang stalked, no one's reading your thoughts with God guns or crystal frequencies, and no the 7.5 billion people that disagree with your view are not paid to do so.
So unimportant that you had to respond. Guess you have to make your posting quota for the day.