France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools

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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools

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France to ban female students from wearing abayas in state schools

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For a 200 year old law, it's pretty straight forward. And for all it's flaws, the Nth revolution didn't like the Catholic church for ... reasons, so they wanted to make a law to get them out of politics and make them liable for their shenanigans. Thankfully they didn't discriminate when they wrote the law.
https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/contenu/piece-jointe/2017/02/libertes_et_interdits_eng.pdf
PROHIBITIONS AND LIMITS TO INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS IN THE FRAMEWORK OF “LAÏCITÉ”
 The principle of secularism means that the State and religious organisations are separate. There is therefore no state-run public worship. The State neither recognises, nor subsidises, nor salaries any form of worship. Exceptions and adjustments to the ban on funding are defined in the legislation and case-law; they concern in particular chaplaincies, which are paid for by the State1
 No religion can impose its prescriptions on the Republic. No religious principle can be invoked for disobeying the law.
- Laîcite is the right for each, to practice his/her religion, without the state interfering, if not against laws and in the respect concerning other peoples. Without being prosecuted for this..
  They now change the word to be against Muslims in France. Because "laicite" is always use against them.
  Novlangue.
- Abayas are not religious dress nor a symbol of a religion, and the law does not speak to individual choices about wearing religious symbols anyway. This is no different to banning 'Black' hairstyles or imposing sexist dress codes. It's racism, not secularism.
  
  Hair covering is an Abrahamic thing. But abayas are not hair covering so what the fuck are you on about?
- No religion can impose its prescriptions on the Republic. No religious principle can be invoked for disobeying the law.
  I don't see how wearing cultural clothing would be imposing anything. I have Indian heritage -- would I be banned from wearing punjabis in public, despite it having no religious bearing at all?
  
  I was unaware that everyone from that religion was a terrorist and supported that beheading. The cornerstone of liberty and democracy relies on not judging people by their heritage, culture, nor religion. It's unconscionable to persecute by association.
  All this will do is create more tension and resentment. It isn't how you end terrorism. It's how you create it. If you want to maintain a philosophy of "in France you act French", so be it. But recognize in doing so, you're adopting the same way of thinking as America's conservatives. And that should give you significant pause.
- if the state doesnt recognise any form of worship, why are they seemingly banning perceived symbols of worship? how does any of the law you quoted justify banning folks from even wearing perceived religious symbols?
  unless this isnt a religious symbol anyway, in which case the above law is even less relevant and this is a blatant case of cultural discrimination
- Except banning anything at school is the opposite of what's written here: the Republic forbid wearing some dress because it's wrongly associated with religion.
  The government is turning atheism into an oppressive religion.
  
  Lol sorry but could only laugh on "turning atheism into oppressive religion"..
  
  Says the guy with the randomly generated username from random.org
  People woth randomised usernames are usually trolls or bad faith accounts because they want to make it harder for their accounts to be found by using randomised usernames
  
  I understand you lack arguments, but wow

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