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All of the people who have worked so fervently to suppress and brigade any person who dare say that Biden is unfit for office and that the Democrats need to produce an alternative.
Now the DNC has a shocked pikachu face that he is unfit for office and they need to produce an alternative.
If only we didn't have Blue MAGA boot lickers muddying the water for the past 3 years, we had already gone about the process, and this debate featured someone who was fit for the office.
Trump literally shit his pants on stage (there was a point when his microphone was on where you audibly hear him fill his pamper) while doing nothing but lying and dropping buzz words and Biden STILL resoundingly lost the debate.
Somehow found a way to top Boat-Shark-Electricity with Abortion-Civil Rights-Immigrant murderer.
Fuck.
Hearing "Trump is a threat to democracy" from Democrat leadership has started to make me seethe. They think it's a one-way responsibility: we the voters are obligated to show up to vote for whoever they put in front of us, but they feel no responsibility to switch to a better candidate.
Resoundingly lost the debate?
That's insane.
At least he answered the questions correctly, building off solid domestic policy over the past four years.
Dumps didn't tell the truth at all, and that s*** doesn't fly like it did 8 years ago.
They don't need an alternative, people need to vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8eMauO_T88
Answered the questions correctly?
I can hardly even make out words.
What I could pick out, translated to (as) coherent (as possible) English:
"A young woman who just was murdered, and he went to the funeral, and the idea she was murdered by an immigrant coming in, they talk about that. Here's the deal, there's a lot of young women being raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters. I, wah, jus, jusjusjus ridiculous. You can do nothing about it. And they try to arrest them when they go across state lines."
In what world do you live in where that is "correctly answering" a question about abortion?
You really need to stop sabotaging the Democrat party with your Blue MAGA horse-shit.
Quit projecting your sabotage.
I didn't say that he answered every question exactly how you personally want it to be answered.
Also, that's the one clip that's been posted on every news site, did you even watch the debate?
He's old.,you crybaby.
If you've ever spoken to an old person, that's what they sound like sometimes.
It doesn't change that he's been doing a good job for 4 years.
You can vote for the rapist, I'm going to keep going with the guy who invests in clean, sustainable energy, legislates new civil rights, provides funding for health care and told Walmart and other corporates to lower their prices.
You're so transparent.
Literally the only people who say blue maga are actual maga people.
Maga's an idiot fascist rapist slogan, so you can keep it to yourself and quit projecting it onto liberals.
He has single handedly disenfranchised record numbers of voters with a genocide.
And you say "he's old" like that's just some write off thing. Its not just some write off thing. If him being old is what is making him incapable of stringing together a coherent thought or WALKING OFF A STAGE UNASSISTED, then GET SOMEONE WHO ISNT ANCIENT.
Get your head out of your ass buddy.
When the dems lose, its because of what you are doing here.
100% avoidable. Get literally anyone who can enunciate a full sentence and hasnt personally orchestrated a genocide, and they will win.
Keep Blue MAGAing and being delulu, and you will have succeeded in handing Trump the office again.
You maga zealots are such frightened children, running after abusive dumps because you mistake abuse for affection.
You vote for the rapist, I'm going to vote for someone who's made positive policy decisions for four years.
I don't care if Biden can walk at all, FDR was in a wheelchair.
Look at the policies, you blind bat.
Biden's administration has benefited the US immensely, domestically and abroad.
He's advanced civil liberties.
Biden's a great president, dumps is a rapist and literally a traitor.
Twice you, a person who has been demonstrably Blue MAGA in this conversation, have called me, a disenfranchised Independent former Democrat who plans on voting for Jill Stein unless the DNC can produce a viable candidate, a MAGA.
You have literally described Biden as an old invalid potato and you still shill him.
Get a clue dude.
"He is strong on the economy, Bidenomics work." Noone can afford a house, increasingly people cant afford food, CEO salaries and corporation profit margins are at an all time high though.
"He has benefited the US domestically." Is this in reference to the US infrastructure? So he fixed the water in Flint issue, right? Oh... he didnt do anything. Well at least he has taken action on the spread of PFAS... oh, he hasnt dont anything about that. Well, at least our roads and bridges are in good working order... oh, no, they are crumbling and collapsing at a consistent rate.
"He has benefited the US abroad." He has turned America into the criminal baddies on a global scale. He has provided unfettered support, rhetorically and fiscally, to an WJC indited war criminal, and has threatened the WJC in defense of the war criminal. He has turned most of the world against the US.
"dumps is a rapist and literally a traitor." 100% agree. That is why we NEED someone who will be able to beat him at general, and Biden will not do that. Biden will not be president in 2025. I guarantee it.
me, a disenfranchised Independent former Democrat who plans on voting for Jill Stein unless the DNC can produce a viable candidate, a MAGA.
Voting third party doesn't necessary make you MAGA, but you're certainly helping them.
Not necessarily. Most people live in states where their vote for president won't do much, and voting third party can actually help.
We need to teach people more about secondary effects of voting and how third parties work.
You're not fooling anybody by pretending to be independent while screaming blue maga.
You vote for rape, I vote for progressive social policies.
And no, you don't need The perfect magical candidate, you need the candidate who already won before who implements good domestic and foreign policy.
I mean not you personally, you're voting for rape, but any progressives who ignore the lgbtq legislation and healthcare and green energy and the absurd amount of good the Biden administration has done for so that they can scuff the dirt with their chucks and wish they had a "better" candidate that did more of all the things Biden is already doing?
Short-sighted and delusional.
He’s old
No shit
I know, it's weird people are acting surprised by his age.
Where do you see surprise? What, you think he is just immune from criticism because of his age, so that commenter must simply be unaware that he's old? Theres nothing about biden people are more aware of!
In the way people pretend that he isn't talking like every old person in the entire world talks.
And the way they pretend it's weird that an old man isn't walking as spritely as a 20-year-old.
Don't expect an old man to be a young man.
I aint beating around the bush, show me where you see these things. Show me where they say hes not talking like other old people, show me where they say its weird hes not walking like a young person.
You don't hear anybody complaining about how he walks or how he talks?
You aren't reading any of these comments?
That's all I keep hearing references to.
Nobody can keep in mind his administration's policies if he isn't doing cartwheels, apparently.
The delivery was bad but it makes sense: A woman was murdered by an immigrant, he (Trump) went to the funeral and tries to demagogue it. Meanwhile Republicans are passing laws to criminalize abortion and prosecute women who try to travel to other states after they're raped by people they know. So Trump and his party don't give a shit about prosecuting rapes or protecting women, they just want to demonize immigrants and control women's bodies.
Edit: You also left out the preceding lines where he talks about Georgia and other states legislating a six-week abortion ban, which sets up the point more clearly.
You can do the same thing to try to save Trump's Boat-Electricity-Shark flub, which was SOMEHOW more coherent than what came out of Biden's mouth.
We need to stop encouraging the Dems to advance a man who will SOMEHOW lose to Trump.
We need to pounce and, open our ears, and get the currently roughly 47% of Americans who are saying simply "anyone else" attention again, because the way its going, Trump is going to get roughly 30 % of the vote, Biden is going to get roughly 20-25% of the vote, and remaining 47% is voting RFK, Jill Stein, or they just aren't showing up.
Biden is a losing horse, and this isn't Sea-biscuit.
You are entitled to your opinion but a large majority of voters disagree with you. So it’s a problem regardless of how you perceived it.
That large majority of voters already disagreed with me before the debate, so the point is moot.
I don't care what people who can't think critically are thinking.
It's like being upset with a child.
Speak for yourself, don't pretend you're speaking for anyone else.
Well these are the people who decide the outcome of the election so I still care what they think even if they lack critical thinking skills.
The debate really doesn’t have any impact on my vote because voting for Trump is unthinkable for people who actually understand the issues.
But I think it does give us information about how well prepared Biden is to oppose him. And I came away feeling that he is very unprepared for the task. So in that sense, I agree that he lost.
That's quite a hunk of cynical gymnastic rationalization.
Anybody who is swayed by a presidential debate of this caliber is chaff.
They're the same type of people shouting for the T-shirt cannon to notice them.
You can't stop that, and it doesn't matter how they process information.
You caring about them doesn't change anything, they want to be tricked.
Biden is well equipped to oppose Trump.
His policies have been and are incredibly beneficial for the United States and other countries, while dumps is consistently incredibly harmful and insulting domestically and abroad.
Biden has at least as much money in the campaign, he has a much better track record, more Americans agree with his policy statistically, and he doesn't constantly lie and hasn't been lying for almost a decade to the point that even the people on his side are tired of it and calling him out as they are with trump.
Biden doesn't have the election in the bag, but he's more than equipped to oppose the human equivalent of a twitter sock puppet.
You’re calling me cynical while referring to two thirds of Americans as insane and chaff? Feel free to dwell in your own fantasy world where Biden is cruising to reelection but please stay out of the way as the rest of us try to figure out a way to save our country from fascism.
Godspeed in your flying boat, nemo.
You're delusional If you think you're solving anything by complaining unproductively.
The only way I can influence the Democratic nominee is through raising my voice. Will it change the outcome? Probably not, but what else can I do besides prepare for Trump round two?
You can stop pretending that an old guy talking like an old guy in what is obviously a media circlejerk that has nothing to do with "debate" invalidates the past 4 years of his administration pursuing and achieving breakthrough legislation.
Instead of surfing the bandwagon with "he old, me sad", acknowledge that despite mumbling, Biden has consistently instituted policies and funding for issues that people have been fighting for for decades in his first term and there's no real reason to vote against him or to spread some unrealistic measure of success.
Biden's investing in green and sustainable energy, he's providing funding for lgbtq unions, he's protecting national forests, complaining that he also isn't winning arm wrestling contests is completely unhelpful and demeaning the very good work he's been doing.
What can you do "besides prepare for Trump"?
Stop pretending Trump is an inevitability because you think wearing cynicism like a merit badhr looks cool on 4chan.
Explain to people how exactly irrelevant and unhelpful complaining about non-issues is when considering their next president.
Now the DNC has a shocked pikachu face that he is unfit for office and they need to produce an alternative.
If only we had some kind of "pre election" where members of the party got to hear from potential candidates and their positions so the party can be sure they're putting forth the best possible candidate...
Edit:
Maybe call it: The Primary?
We have to save democracy from Trump, so we can't afford the luxury of a primary election. /s
Its fine. We'll have a new slate of candidates in a couple weeks.
Bernie/Ro Khanna can still happen.
Either one of them in the President slot, either one of them in the VP slot.
They will win all day.
I mean, look. I was on both of Bernie's campaigns. I put in thousands of calls for the guy. But brother, Its a pipe dream. Bernie polls 20-25 points ahead of both Trump and Biden. It wouldn't be a W, it would be a Blue version of this map. Bernie would CRUSH Trump.
But its not going to happen. The DNC would rather lose to Trump than ever consider a genuine socialist. I would LOVE to be wrong on this, but its not going to happen.
Honestly, we could probably get Katie Porter through the wickets. We could probably get Gretchen Witmer through. I think we could get Inslee in. I'd put each of these at less that 20% stand alone probability.
Honestly, the best bet, the one I think has both the highest probability of getting the nom, and can actually win:
Andy Beshear
He's a somewhat progressive southern > two term < Democratic governor.
He's won Kentucky. Twice. Hes "a bit" progressive, but not a Bernie or a Ro Khanna.
You know who else was a two term, southern, slightly progressive governor?
Bill Clinton.
I'll bet Bernie with my heart. I bet its going to be Andy Beshear with my wallet.
Bernie would CRUSH Trump.
Jesus Christ.
Bernie would crush Jesus too.
