Fairphone launches a cheaper version of the Fairphone 5 with less memory and storage - Liliputing
Fairphone launches a cheaper version of the Fairphone 5 with less memory and storage - Liliputing
Fairphone launches a cheaper version of the Fairphone 5 with less memory and storage
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looks way over priced for a mid range spec of a 2021 era hardware in both old and new devices that you'd pay £200 or less for back then but all it is is 2gb ram extra same type of ddr standard added on and only then 256gb compared to 128gb is thexdifference a sd card can be bought and used adopted storage method to go way beyond or equal to the difference for practically $4-10 so neither phone from fairphone is fair priced being as they are being priced up at $500-600 it's 100% out of normal realms of common sense to buy it, they simply just won't buy it in the numbers then to keep the comoany afloat because the pricing is ultra over inflated, it's old spec standard hardware trying to be upsold for triple it's retail value
For some kind of logical alternative product slightly less spec but half decent for that era's hardware then a moto g range device a g10 and upward should be comparable bit slower half the ram at 3gb but some are much higher and the g10 new was just £120 delivered back in 2021 with a 8 core soc by snapdragon, so throwing weight in the product being worth triple that you'd expect about 9gb ram if that were a thing 256gb storage and a newer 3x faster chipset at triple that price it is £360 so you can imagine the shock at fairphone's costing nearly twice that tben they should be 6x faster and 12gb ram physical ram not virtual as well, the camera a 108mp or higher etc etc the specs do not justify the cost never will even halving it
The idea behind the fairphone is that it's made fairly. It looks overpriced because they're paying a fair price for the raw materials + production costs. If other companies didn't exploit third world countries their phones would be priced similarly to fair phone.
You don't buy fair phone for the specs, you buy it so you can be certain some child in south Africa didn't have crawl in a mine to get the the metals that go into phones, or have a child sit in a factory putting together the chips that go into phones. Or you buy it because you don't want to throw your phone away after 3 years because you couldn't replace the battery or the screen or the charging port.
I say to all manufacturers and developers just get one OS and stick with it, and then there is no further e-waste if it's cross compatible from a dual core spec hardware upward it just runs faster the higher spec you go, there will be no hardware or OS incompatability just an ever improving OS one fits all old and new.
All fairphone are going to do is become e-waste just with a smaller footprint than the rest but e-waste none the less, I do not see them surviving long either.
I say to all manufacturers and developers just get one OS and stick with it, and then there is no further e-waste if it’s cross compatible from a dual core spec hardware upward it just runs faster the higher spec you go, there will be no hardware or OS incompatability just an ever improving OS one fits all old and new.
But where does the new hardware come from? Google has one OS that is the same over all Pixel phones, it doesn't stop them from churning out a new Pixel every year. It also doesn't solve the problems Fairphone aims to solve which are a) ethically sourced materials and b) reducing ewaste by having higher repairability.
Let's say they create their own OS. How is the OS going to make sure the underlying hardware is "fairly" acquired? It's not. Nor is the OS magically going to turn a non-repairable phone into a repairable one. That's the reason why Fairphone makes their own phones, so they can verify their materials are ethically sourced and the phone is repairable.
All fairphone are goinn to do is become e-waste just with a smaller footprint than the rest but e-waste none the less, I do not see them surviving long either.
Actually the company recycles its phones. If you don't like your Fairphone you can send it to them and based on the model and the state of the phone they'll reimburse it. And how long is long because Fairphones are over a decade old?
People should focus on a better single lifetime lifespan OS, not churning out further e-waste and recycled devices that will inevitably become none circulatory e-waste that will return back as what it once was, yes it will reduce that waste numbers for a time but not prevent it, wheras OS regulation to force a single unified OS per company name would stop it altogether wouldn't it, if they said all hardware must have a unified OS that does not age out and all hardware must be able to here after use the same baseline OS development that also must be unified this day forward....now deal with it or close shop if you want to change this e-waste problem for real that is theoretically the only way likely you'd impact it in a stop immediately way for good.You'd apply it to both phones and computers and also consoles but allow the shells/housings to be made of fully recyclable materials so they can be re-housed slide out slot it design would work for motherboards aka a modular case/housing design.
I've already pointed out that most Pixel phones run on the same OS, it doesn't prevent Google from churning out new phones on a yearly basis because hardware is independent from software. The same OS doesn't prevent sticking in a better camera of a better CPU, it only prevents adding new features to the OS.
What you're suggesting could work if ALL pixel phones had to run on the same OS which effectively stifles technological advantage. I don't think you fully understand the impact of your suggestion. What you're basically saying is that 99% of personal computers should be using windows 3.1 (or I guess actually MS DOS) because that's the OS Microsoft created and that's what ran on the first PCs. Even the jump to Windows 95 is impossible because it literally might not fit on hardware that's designed to run windows 3.1. You could argue that it's a silly argument as it would start now, but guess what, 40 years from now Windows 11 can be just as ancient as Windows 3.1 is right now. If we somehow figure out quantum computing for consumer market you couldn't really benefit from it because you need to support windows 11 that has no idea how quantum computing works. Not to mention it actually makes entire companies obsolete because a brand new company could make an OS that supports quantum computing and everyone switches to that company OS because that OS doesn't need to support decades old hardware.
Forced baseline OS does not solve the issue. It only creates worse issues.
Puppy linux has done what I refer to for years requiring just 300mb to 400mb install space for the distro and about 2gb ram and a core2duo cpu minimum to run it well.
So I put it to every phone maker then, how does a 2007 PC run a distro an OS faster than rest of machines of newer specs on newer OS's, but a pupoy distro achieves better on older sh@t spec machines which to this day is still getting software built and maintained and has an active community on Discord that is yes small but great.
how do phones need to do anything differently to run as well? Why do you need 8-16gb software ROM files for them? Why do you need 8gb ram and more on a mobile OS then? lol what is the aim of all these supposedly required updates as well to if not simply to recharge sales on hardware, but if you made the software like Puppy does you just sell loads of great apps instead of handsets to make the money and there's a lot less work involved and cost outlay as you just retain that one custom OS through your own independent life long server that contains the files being kept alive not dropoing the servers for the apls and so on to again force hardware sales through incompatibility at a software level. A fairphone is tryiing but more like trying in the wrong way because e-waste is the bi product of forced software itterations and hardware requirements to suit an unessicarily large and power hungry Android and or IOS operating system thus it's a endemic greed problem that nobody is forcably tackling, their just basocally allowing all this toxic mess to build in someon'es backyard until it posisons everyone or everyone goes glow in the dark before dying at age 1 or some sh@t or for the kids of the next genertion to breathe the fumes off into their lungs and die younger at thsi rate they'll need need soem of those air purifiers off the Aliens movie to fix the air quality from all this e-waste lol.
A fairphone will not put a dent in it at all really, well it will gradually albeit far far more slowly than the rest are adding to that e-waste dump, so it's somewhat pointless really yes it's a nice gesture a really nice thought, but it's totally un-survivable at a product market level at triple the cost of phones of a similar spec of hardware.
Hardware necessity is clearly more or less somewhat of an illusion to sell more sh@t and sh@t expands to space available or in this case old e-waste does.
You just use anything don't you that it caters for dual core+ spec then stick to one base OS the devs place thexrest of the requirements to run other options in addon format to the store but everything hardware related can use that OS in some way shape or form provided it is dual core pkus spec with say 2gb ram+ ddr3 or higher is suitible is the way to go this way old e-waste become new upcycle as well, the devs make what they like for it 3 categories in the store for types so FOSS/paid and In-App but all apps to be made ad free so sh@t doesn't trickle in ad based software and pay walled ad based software are what make all stores eventually a sea of sh@t any way.
That is the way stores should be and the an OS should be in fact I'd go as far as to say if e-waste is such an environmental disaster as portrayed and it very likely is, then why not regulate things to a minimum production level any way to prevent it eg. if you manufacture phones you must create a baseline OS not multiple variants of the same OS only one in order to stop the excess sale of hardware that all becomes e-waste due to forcing updates remove the ability to force new itterations through software age out. You don't need devices to solve this just a regulation one rule no updates generating e-waste that would mea they get one OS and streamline it they can only generate a new one every 15-25 years minimum if you want iacnewer OS but the hardware presently functioning must still be compatible to the baseline and open source all mjst be to provide a development continuation indefinitely none to but clesed off on purpose that one idea argue you can but something in this vein or derivative would be the answer not paying 3x the cost of other phones for one lesser phone.
There's a far easier way make just make a fair OS it costs nothing extra if ithe OS is running on a backbone of the low cost devices at say dual core as a baseline to any spec above for higher speeds, you never then have to worry what phone you build because the OS runs on them all a bit like linux without the caveat of aging out in 3-5yrs.
You don't ever have to look the b@llocks just so you end up being plain b@llocks becauee your draining off every resource to beautify the OS and add none essential features, you could choose to install none essential apps or features and individual updates to add features later without needing sh@t loads of background processes to run in the native OS, included on purchase of a device you just start with a generally cross compatible basic spec OS and keep that base foundation forever it updates only through a open source app store which if needed will request to allow the installation of specific elements that certain apps require to install and the feature addons that embed in the OS are also in the store in a section dedicated to this, and their accompanying app to use anything of these features are linked to that section or placeholder assigned in the storefront.thus nothing ever dies from being incompatible or to old ever again or from any forcable update requirement, people are left happily building and catering to all the specs and brands of device as axwhole and indefinitely/forever litterally. Not singling out devices to cater for just so comlanies can force recurring purchases from the publoc of the new necissary hardware, it's a matter of software throat ramming to sell hardware by forcing updates to the hardware and binding that hardware specific list (database of devices) to the store/s and software in a stores compatibility list. It's simply "Double Dipping And Manipulation" that's basically what I call it for software and hardware or DAM for short lol said like "DAM!!!" (aka damn missing the letter "n" at the end) basically I mean you get shafted as your device unescissarily ages out of the stores due to deliberate phase out of the OS and hardware totally unescissarily etc lol
But the idea behind fair for the production is good, it's simply not going to really appeal to anyone much except for those who are dedicated to saving the planet with a phat wallet or purse. Not to any large marketable community with enough members to keep it afloat for long or is that just the whole idea here?
They'll likely end up e-waste like everything else that's forcably aged out of relevance to turn a buck and just add to the sh@t that's poisoning the planet again in some smaller way than the rest but none the less doing so in a similar way with a smaller footprint that's all.