‘They are not safe’: Richmond Hill residents at traffic meeting want bike lanes installed this year removed immediately
‘They are not safe’: Richmond Hill residents at traffic meeting want bike lanes installed this year removed immediately
Observatory Lane, Sunshine Drive and Queen’s College Drive in Richmond Hill’s Ward 6 slated for traffic calming, but Springbrook Drive residents want bike lane removed
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/30050658
“They are not safe. They are anything but for safety,” said a woman who added vehicles in the two-block section sometimes drive in the middle of Springbrook to avoid the bollards.
Oh, so drivers behind of the wheel of an automobile are the danger. Why remove the bike lanes rather than the car lanes?
I heard that Etobicoke's NIMBYs are insane, but this is a new level of stupidity from Richmond Hill.
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How often do you see drivers roll stop signs or rush amber lights? When's the last time you drove at or below the speed limit for an entire trip? I constantly hear drivers complaining about cyclists who pose no danger to drivers, meanwhile the drivers continue to exceed the speed limit, roll stop signs, and be one of the leading causes of death in this country despite having fully dedicated infrastructure everywhere.
Not as often as cyclists to be honest... running yellows MAYBE... but I rarely see a car taking a glance and running a red light that has been red for a while.
Look if cyclists want to endanger their lives, well it completely sucks for everyone but it definitely sucks for them more. A cyclist would always lose against a car. And I am x100000 for all of us using bikes more but we ALL need to be responsible. The mentality here is that this is a car problem and if cyclists break rules well so do car drivers so two wrongs make a right and all is good?
The mentality here is that this is a car problem and if cyclists break rules well so do car drivers so two wrongs make a right and all is good?
I think what they're actually trying to say is that you have some observational bias, not that two wrongs make a right.
I also kinda want to point out that bikes rolling stop signs isn't dangerous (for a few reasons that we can get into if people want), but that's why some places allow "Idaho Stops" which allow bikes to yield at stop signs instead of stopping. But either way, bikes should have to obey their regional laws.
I think what they’re actually trying to say is that you have some observational bias, not that two wrongs make a right.
I don't think it's a bias. The issue here is that if a car causes a low speed collision with another car, as bad as it is, there is a good chance the "worst" damage is property damage. If a cyclist is involved, on the other hand, there is a HUGE risk of bodily harm or death.
I also kinda want to point out that bikes rolling stop signs isn’t dangerous
It is incredibly if they are going straight on the same road a car is turning right.
I DO see a bigger problem if a cyclist runs a Stop sign, not because it's a worse road infraction but because the risk they are taking is orders of magnitude greater. And to boot, if I as a driver see a pedestrian, I assume they will follow pedestrian rules, if I see a car I assume they will behave as a car. Cyclist on the other hand usually follow a hybrid pattern, they may jump on or off the road as they please, they may or may not stop at signs of red lights, they may or may not signal turns (yes, I know, car drivers do the same but I know a car cannot turn where there is no road, a cyclist can turn whenever)
The problem is that if you simply ask a question here, it immediately goes "car bad, bike good" and a conversation cannot take place
It is incredibly if they are going straight on the same road a car is turning right.
The Idaho Stop says they must yield, I'm not saying that a bike going 40kmph can safely run a stop sign. I specifically said "roll" a stop sign. And yeah, the data shows that it is safe (just not legal everywhere).
But to your point about car turning and bike going straight, this situation is actually dangerous whether the bike stops or rolls. The car needs to see the bike or the bike needs to wait in order to not be ran over. There are multiple intersections of this exact make on my daily commute. It's always scary. Stopping or rolling doesn't change if I'm seen though. I always have to wait to go until it's safe. To be clear, rolling doesn't mean not waiting for your turn at a 4 way stop or anything. It just means you don't have to come to a complete stop.
not because it’s a worse road infraction but because the risk they are taking is orders of magnitude greater
You can read about the safety of Idaho Stops here: Understanding the Idaho Stop/Stop-as-Yield Law.
Cyclist on the other hand usually follow a hybrid pattern
This is totally true and definitely a safety concern. Driving (or biking) predictably is always safest. It's something taught to motorcycles too. But yeah sometimes a bike has to move from the bike path into the road. It often happens at intersections and it's not really possible to predict. Mind you, tons and tons of bike paths abruptly end, forcing this situation. I don't really know what the solution is. I do think it's an exaggeration to say that bikes regularly jump on or off the road though (not that you specified frequency).
The problem is that if you simply ask a question here, it immediately goes “car bad, bike good” and a conversation cannot take place
I still do not believe your question was a good faith one. Maybe it was, but you just refuse to accept any answers. Like I mentioned in other comments, I gave some answers and perspective, but the goal post has shifted. Feels to me more like you simply just wanted to complain about bikes on the road. As if there could be no reason for it when a bike path exists. Hoping you have time to watch the video I linked in another comment. Your opinions are not unique, but even though lots of drivers share them, doesn't mean they carry much weight. But undoubtedly I could go on for hours on why cars are bad and bikes are good. That's a joke, but it's also not.