8mo ago

If Palestine got to have its own recognized (by everyone including Israel) and sovereign state, what other different current nation would it most likely resemble?

EDIT: I'm interested in how a free Palestine would play out in terms of what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc. For the average citizen/denizen what would that look like?

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Japan
- Whys that?
  
  I think they will have a strong will to work really hard to rebuild and will have a good mix between modernity and tradition like Japan
  
  I've read that population-wise, Palestine is over 50% young people/children. Do you think that might be key to a generational refresh that allows for compromise in producing a solution at some point if all the pieces can line up?
  
  Are you thinking "young people" = "less religious"?
  That's mainly the case for Christians/the west, not Muslims in Muslim countries.
  
  Eh, young muslims drink in excess far more than the previous generation. They just pretend like they don't.
  
  Yes, young people usually engage more in "forbidden" activities than older people.
  
  I feel that once the young are out of the watchful judgemental eye of the old (i.e. they pass on), things will change drastically
  
  What kind of compromise?
  
  A two-state solution? Palestine is objectively less-developed and economically-developed than Israel, I don't think its realistic there's going to be a "river to the sea free of israel" type situation. Not sure whether thats what is actually being advocated for but it also seems like a point that keeps coming up over and again as I read about this.
  If Israel had a far more moderate government where the leader wasn't criminally compromised, do you think it would be possible to come up with some good enough good-faith joint effort to relieve some of the tension points and allow for change?
  
  I don't believe the older generation don't want a two state solution. The problem with the two state solution proposals was always biased towards Israel and have almost no flexibility in discussing the terms. I think a one state solution makes more sens
  
  I've watched videos with Palestinians lamenting the good old days when they had a job that was either in Israel or with an Israelli firm that paid much better and it makes me really question whether this is about religion or past stuff at all. I wonder if all Palestinians who are offered a better life thru gainful employment and modern peaceful lifestyle with the modern amentities wouldn't warm to the idea of a pluralistic and perhaps closer to 1-state solution altho I also understand where the Israelis are coming from in terms of not wanting the muslim baggage and ongoing concerns that creates.
  Religions that create such a conviction that there's another better life you can arbitrarily access if you do violence in your god's name are inherently antithetical to modern life and cohesion so I get that they would be reluctant if it came to that. There would very likely be a non-zero number of civillian deaths and incidents that would immediately be blamed on any unification
  
  It's like when France allowed tunisian students in France when tunisia was occupied it doesn't change the fact that in both case most was mistreated by the colonizers. Palestinians resistance is not just about religions that's why Shia and sunni groups are allies despite the long history of violence between both factions there's also Christian and Marxist leninist groups in Gaza.
  
  That's a lot of words to state absolutely stereotypical defenses used by apartheid countries.
  Let me guess, you think Israel is in an existential fight against barbarism, like the peoples of Rhodesia and South Africa did, right?

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