There’s an idea that I’ve seen asserted by feminists/left-leaning people a fair amount of times that seems inaccurate to me. Am I wrong, or are they wrong?
There’s an idea that I’ve seen asserted by feminists/left-leaning people a fair amount of times that seems inaccurate to me. Am I wrong, or are they wrong?
The idea that I’m referring to is basically that MRAs/pick-up artists and anti-abortion social conservatives are the same group of people with no meaningful distinctions between them.
An example of where I’ve seen this idea expressed:
You know those left-leaning meta subreddits like r/therightcantmeme and r/shitfascistssay that are largely about posting dumb right-wing stuff and then dogpiling on it together?
Earlier this year I saw a post (now deleted) on one of those subreddits where the content of the post was a manosphere-type meme that depicted a (attractive) man who got his (attractive) girlfriend pregnant and then, with help from his male friends, fled the country so that he wouldn’t have to pay child support. And the general tenor of the meme was supportive of this; basically the conceit was “being hot and scoring lots of noncommittal sex with hot women, without any concern for their well-being, is all that matters”.
Obviously this is an offensively terrible way to think about women, so the post got a lot of interaction and comments. But some of the comments caught my attention, because they tied in anti-abortion politics in a way that I think is kind of off the mark. One commenter said “The same guys who are anti abortion are the guys who laugh at stuff like this” and got a lot of upvotes.
I replied to them with something like “Huh? No, I don’t think that’s accurate. This is not a meme that anti-abortion social conservatives would find funny. This is a meme for ‘players’ who are misogynist in a lot of other ways, but generally support legal abortion.”
My comment got heavily downvoted. There were a couple of people who agreed with me and replied things like “lol you’re getting downvoted but you’re exactly right”, but those people got downvoted too.
Overall it seemed like the vast majority of people in that comment section disagreed with me, and believed that there really is no significant difference between anti-abortion Christian social conservatives and the MRA/PUA/Andrew Tate crowd.
I still think I'm right about this, though. What are your thoughts?
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Now we get to talk about Freud! Hooray.
So Freud was wrong about a lot of things, but he did pick up on the "vibes" of one particular sort of pathetic manchild. That is, his idea of the "Madonna/removed" complex fits these people very well. They both expect women to be perfect ideal virgins who never do anything wrong and debased "removed" who will fulfill their every sexual desire without hesitation. This creates a lot of cognitive dissonance, and they usually resolve it by focusing heavily on one side of their sexual pathology or the other.
In other words, they are functionally the same group because they basically want exactly the same thing as each other, women who have no agency and are just sex objects for men to use.
the word filter is annoying