You're viewing a single thread.
You could have donated to a children's Hospital, which the Republicans are about to cut off all funding to with the government shutdown and again in a few months when DOGE cuts 2.5 Trillion in funding for hospitals, healthcare, research, infrastructure, etc.
Instead you're making sure some random killer gets peanut butter and crackers for the next 30 years. SMH
Hello there Mr. President.
Go bitch at a billionaire to donate to the children’s hospital
Got his email?
There’s this guy who runs this shitty renamed social media site I bet you could easily reach out to
Oh please, that guy is begging the users for money. Blood from a stone.
The worlds richest man is begging for money???? Lololololol excuses
there's a reason he's that rich...
It’s not from begging lol
not literally no, but when you refuse to spend any of your actual money. That's how you get that rich.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
He’s rich because he started with daddy’s slave money and then continued to exploit labor and natural resources to get to his position in life.
No! NOOOOO! He's smart!!! He's smaaaaaaaaart 🤡 how else could he have that much money if he wasn't #1 big brain of all time?!?!
Sorry I thought you were talking about Trump's Truth Social. The humour isn't lost on me that your highly specific innuendo wasn't clear enough lol.
If we're talking about Elon Musk...? Then I get the feeling the anti-tax dude who just elected the Republican majority and whose family ran bloody emerald mines in Africa would be willing to donate, I think I'm better off here reaching out to all of you.
I'll write something nice up if you've got that email, though.
I’m sorry why should I be “donating” to a fucked up system when I could support deposing those who run this system?
Sounds like musk is a great candidate to be thrown into a volcano next. Or maybe we should just send him to mars one way, he’d like that.
You would be donating directly to a fucked up nonprofit Hospital who treats terminal children, with no insurance middleman. There is not supposed to be incentive to this. This is something people should be open to doing.
There’s also the answer of why not both
Ones too yucky for a liberal.
If you gave a dollar to the Jailhouse commissary and a dollar to St Judes then I commend you, absolutely, but everyone would be better off if you gave $2 to St Jude.
Let your fingers do the searching, builds character and self-reliance
Your suggestion is equivalent to me asking you to go converse with a wall instead.
Your suggestion isn't much better.
I didn't make any suggestions, you asked me to go tell the Billionaires to donate and I asked you for their contact information, which you absolutely don't have.
I didn't make any suggestions
You could have donated to a children's Hospital, which the Republicans are about to cut off all funding to with the government shutdown and again in a few months when DOGE cuts 2.5 Trillion in funding for hospitals, healthcare, research, infrastructure, etc.
Come on now.
Oh that? Hang on, you're saying "talking to a wall" is better than or equivalent to "saving the lives of sick innocent children"? Man this is really such a wacky comment thread fr fr.
I honestly wouldn't have been able to piece together your concepts if you didn't lay it out for me, that's truly some unthinkable cruelty you've developed.
You could say this argument about people buying alcohol or cigarettes or lottery tickets or McDonald's cheeseburgers. That money could go to better things but that's not really the point. I mean, it's their own money, they can do whatever they want with it. If it makes them happy to give it to some dude at a prison why is it any of your concern? You can feel free to give your own money to the children's hospital.
Alcohol, Cigarettes, Lottery Tickets, or McDonalds are all personal use. Giving money away is another matter entirely.
You are giving away your money every time you buy something, or when you hand it to a bum on the street, or give it to a registered charity. That's personal use of your money.
You know what might save more children than donating to a children's hospital? The destruction of our current healthcare insurance system. Of course you know that. You're just intentionally making a bad faith argument to distract people because you're a bootlicker and an enemy of the working class. Get the fuck out of here troglodyte.
Banning guns
Also yes
So instead of tens of millions of children having necessary medical care covered, none of them will.
Great plan, hope it works out like it does in your head.
How do you figure?
Catsbad wants:
"The destruction of our current healthcare insurance system."
The insurance companies won't cover any care. The Government certainly isn't offering to pick up the bill, we just elected a Republican Majority. So the patients are responsible for the full cost of treatment.
Tbh as a nurse even just directly accepting pay from patients would be a huge improvement in the Healthcare system. Even having the patient directly pay the hospital then the hospital pays me would be a big improvement over health insurance companies. The entire purpose of a middleman is to make things more convenient and yet they've figured out how to make more money the less convenient it is to receive care because they get their premium either way, and the more they refuse to do the more they get to keep. They're literally leeches that contribute nothing beneficial to the process.
A big reason we have stuff like $100 bandaids is because of a longstandimg health insurance tradition of the Healthcare insurance companies insisting that the hospitals charge exorbitant prices to the uninsured so that they can offer their customers "discounts." It's the same marketing strategy as how mattress stores are always having a sale. The mattress was always worth $400, they just added the
$800next to it to make that $400 look better. After years and years of the insurance companies "negotiating" for more money off the price we have hospitals charging $100 to put a baby on its mothers chest after birth, then that price is magically "negotiated" down to $1 which the insurance company so graciously deigns to pay.Some people still wouldn't be able to pay which is why we really need to move towards a government provided fund that covers at least the basics for everyone, but for most people not having to pay $500 for a bandaid and only having to pay $1-2k for a major surgery would be doable, especially if they're not also paying $300 monthly and $3.6k yearly for "insurance" that will still try to get the anasthaesia cut off mid surgery. And it would make mutual aid and charitable funding a much more realistic possibility for those who can't afford it.
So anyway yeah we actually should just completely abolish the health insurance industry. It wouldn't fix everything but it would actually be a huge improvement just by cutting out the middleman and by making a negotiation that was already unfair to begin with at least more open / honest.
Okay but it's only an improvement for people can afford it. Other people die. That's the entire argument behind calling Brian Thompson a murderer, by advocating for not distributing based on need you're essentially what other commenters in this thread would call a murderer.
You can have mutual aid and charitable funding RIGHT NOW. Nothing is stopping us, it's heavily advocated for.
Aaaaand you ignored the part of my argument where it's still a marginal improvement for that population (who already can't afford it even with insurance). The other commenter is right, you're cherrypicking and arguing in bad faith. I've no patience for sealions. Bye.
Aaaaaand I don't think it would be an improvement at all because I don't think people would be sharing their wealth without incentive to have their own issues covered. As I mentioned before, you can right at this very moment do charity or community action to cover the care of people who need it, such as donating to St. Jude's Childrens Hospital. People aren't, though. They don't want to cover somebody else's problem.
I've been fighting sealions like you all day, must be a skill issue.
Up/downvotes don’t mesh with your “skill issue” observation.
You ignored their whole point that abolishing the health insurance industry would bring costs down for everyone, but act like they’re the one with a skill issue? Get bent with your bad faith, cherry-picked arguments. lol
I think when somebody mentions destroying our health insurance system, they don’t mean literally dissolving all insurance companies right now and then taking a nap before starting to think about how to replace it.
Whenever I suggest using political reform to solve the problem I get argued with and downvoted. I think maybe you're just too new here to understand how bad the problem is with anarchists and tankies advocating we tear it down without a replacement.
I mean it's not like there's an entire knowledge base of communist theory that has successfully been put into practice and even in some cases withstood the most brutal attacks and undermining by American capitalists, but let's just call them all tankies and pretend that they are so incapable of critical thinking that they wouldn't have a plan against the most obvious points of failure that you can think of in the most knee jerkiest of reactions, having exposed yourself to absolutely none of that theory whatsoever.
The capitalists will not let you reform away their power. You bootlicking libs are so pathetic.
The fact that you think going mask off is a good look on you, lol.
More bad faith and lies. What a surprise lol. You want to suck CEO dick so badly you couldn't even consider that a non greed based system is what people want. It's not like there are many examples of healthcare systems that could simply be copy and pasted to work here. Won't anyone think of the profits?!
You're a joke dude. No one is buying it and your imagined CEO daddy is not going to see your comments and throw you bread crumbs when it's your turn to choose death or bankruptcy. But I guess you'll feel good in the moment because you tried really hard to get people who can barely pay their insurance premiums to feel like it's their responsibility to also pay for other people's healthcare instead of trying to stop the current, broken system.
A literal quote from your actual comment is bad faith and lies? Well, you said it pal, not me.
You don't want to copy and paste a system, explicitly. You don't need to do anything to CEOs if you simply obsolete their entire industry by getting people to vote correctly. Or are you saying you want to end US Democracy? It sounds like you don't even know what you want and you think your confusion justifies violence.
Oh the troll thinks I'm confused. Lol, I think that's a compliment actually
I interpret this as you conceding the argument.
Feel free to think that troglodyte. I guess you really don't think voting means anything then. Lying trolls gonna lie.
I would think that the majority of that donation revenue stream is captured by the crooked health insurers.
Alright then, obviously the solution is to just pay for each other's care without the insurance so let's start an office that facilitates the pooling and allocation of funds for healthcare costs to be covered based on specific terms to prevent misuse that...
wait a minute...
No, the obvious solution is universal healthcare funded by taxes. Healthcare in the sense of giving care, not withholding care.
The benefits are so obvious arguing for the current US system is disingenuous.
Yes that's exactly the solution I propose, and the only way we get there is to elect a supermajority of democrats and single-payer minded independents. Many people in these comment threads do not agree with that plan.
Until that happens, if you intend to throw any money towards Luigi's jailors, I strongly urge you to throw it towards charity instead.
I happen to think the man deserves his peanut butter.
His father is the head of Mangione Enterprises which owns tons of real estate including resorts and country clubs. TBH I assume he'd have his peanut butter even if less than a million people paid the prison industry on his behalf.
Nobody cares what he comes from or who his family is, guy, he merked a rich asshole who had it coming and made sure to let everyone know why.
It's relevant to the discussion of people sending him money. He has money, he doesn't need your money.
People want to thank him that way. And it's not just money, he'll get letters and nudes in the mail too I'm sure.
The post explicitly mentions how to send money.
sandwidici
It would cost you exactly nothing to stop this moral grandstanding. Here is your "I am better than you" award, now go away: 🏆
I will continue to be a good moral person and anybody who advocates otherwise can suck my balls.
Good moral person
Gets their panties in a twist over how other people spend their money to help out a guy who took a social murdering parasite out
Says the dude getting pissed because I pointed out their impotent rage contributes to corporate profits.
Why are you so focused on sucking Brian Thompson's balls? It's weird especially because he's dead and the world is better off for it.
Brian Thompson's gone. I've never defended them. You're projecting by saying I'm the one fixated on a corpse's dick.
Wow you actually got the joke. Thanks for explaining it lol. Moron
Maybe we could source the blue-shelling of CEOs and when good people inevitably end up in the clink they could be welcomed as oppressed comrades and freedom fighters.
An argument could be made that his actions are drawing attention to the Healthcare crisis and are worth millions in donations to any single facility.
We all have opinions.
His actions made no impact, so far. Are you expecting the more than half of Americans who voted for Trump and other Republicans to suddenly change their political identity?
And you're not supporting his cause if you send money to his commissary, you're supporting the private prison system.
His actions made no impact, so far.
It's literally global news, CEO's have been pied in the face, which while tangentially related is another reminder. Policeman forces and corporations are "cooperating for added security" and whatnot bullshit.
Like arguing that Rosa Parks taking a stance had no effect. It took almost a year for there to even be a decision of any sort, as the case got bogged down in the courts.
The prosecution is already having issues with jury selection. It's only been a few weeks since the assasination.
It's beyond ridiculous to say what he did hasn't had an effect.
The pie in the face is a self imposed publicity stunt, but another dude murdered their boss the other day who’s a military contractor.
Yea actually that was new to me but since I bought it and associated it, I'm sure someone else will too. Especially because scared people aren't rational people.
another dude murdered their boss the other day who’s a military contractor.
I'd have to read the details so I'm gonna say these with the condition that I can take it back: "Nice"
Yeah I’m not sure if it was politically inspired or a personal vendetta. Dude
killedstabbed the CEO of the company he worked for though. Guess he wasn’t a fan of his Christmas bonus?Also I got it wrong, he didn’t kill him, he tried to but the CEO lived.
I wonder if he was of Scottish heritage.
That CEO in Europe pied himself in the face.
I guess one outcome that did come from it is that some guy in Michigan stabbed his supervisor in the neck trying to emulate Luigi.
His actions made no impact, so far.
This is incorrect, we're all talking about it so it's brought the conversation to the forefront if nothing else.
Are you expecting the more than half of Americans who voted for Trump
More than half of Americans didn't vote for trump, roughly 1/3 did.
Republicans to suddenly change their political identity.
Republican don't have a political identity to speak of except "No!" see also: Their current inability to even pass a budget they wrote.
you’re not supporting his cause if you send money to his commissary, you’re supporting the private prison system.
He's being held at the Metro Detention Center in Brooklyn, it's not a private prison.
You're so bad at this you have to be a troll, and not even a good one, sad.
More than 50% of people who voted, voted for Trump. You know that, don't be disingenuous like that.
The Commissary is run by a third party company, not a public office.
Go cry to the democrats for running a shit candidate
Lmao. Donating to organizations and charity is a waste of money. They are just grifts that take a majority of those donations to enrich their executives and maybe 5-15% actually goes to the cause you support.
Im too poor to give either money but i would rather see it go to someone who brought awareness to the issue and inspired more class consciousness and solidarity than the wall street military industry profiteer owned democrat party ever has.
They are just grifts that take a majority of those donations to enrich their executives and maybe 5-15% actually goes to the cause you support.
any references i can look at for this claim?
There is no law mandating that charities have to give any specific amount of the money they collect which is why many charitable organizations can get away with siphoning as much as they they can to executive pay and administrative costs 5-15% may be a lowballed generalization there are likely some people in these roles who do better. Red cross claims 90% goes to the cause but thats highly unusual. There are 42 different charitable non profits in the us where their ceo alone is paid over $1,000,000. The ceo of the sloane kettering cancer research center, Selwyn Vickers earns an annual compensation of just over $5.7 million. Now thats not much for a charity that takes in 7.3 billion but i would be surprised if more than 1.5 billion of that actually went to cancer research My favorite argument against charity is by Slavoj Ziezek in “first as tragedy then as farce” who argues that charity demoralizes and degrades it is immoral to use private property to alleviate the issues caused and exacerbated by private property society instead needs to be reorganized so that poverty is impossible.
Here is some good reading on how the system of charitable non profit organizations is abused bh the wealthy to further enrich themselves
https://ips-dc.org/report-true-cost-of-billionaire-philanthropy/
Really telling that you pretend to care about "awareness" of a problem and at the same time don't care about saving lives like this one:
Oh fuck right off. Murdering more health insurance CEOs would save that child, not “donating” to the hospital.
Fuck for profit healthcare. Time to human sacrifice more CEOs into the volcano until things change.
That child literally will not be saved by removing CEOs. Even if you somehow magically make it virtually impossible for a New CEO to take their place with a nonexistent army, the funding needs to be distributed to the hospital and killing CEOs doesn't make that happen.
Electing Democrats and Independents makes that happen. Removing Republicans from congress makes that happen.
Electing Democrats and Independents makes that happen.
No, it demonstrably does not.
We demonstrably got Medicaid Expansion and pre-existing condition protections when we gave them 59 votes in 2010, would have gotten Single Payer if we gave them one more. We haven't even tried to give them those numbers since.
lol. Temporarily got back the barest minimum of protections and a handful more people made destitute by our system are no longer completely excluded from healthcare if they jump through the right hoops. Great, democracy wins! Except when it doesn't. "just one more!!" "vote harder!!!"
Being unpopular doesn't stop the Republicans. It's always excuses with the democrats. Always the voters' fault they can't get anything done, even when they run bad million-dollar campaign after bad million-dollar campaign that demostrably turns away voters and are very careful not to promise or even mention the things you are promising, but trust me!!! They're gonna do it this time!!
Of course, why would they say anything else or take the time to correct you? It would be terrible PR, they would lose their loyalists! And then everyone will have no choice but to vote for Republicans!!!! ^(third parties are not viable and don't even bother showing up for them until our beloved party members remove FPTP which is definitely going to happen in the foreseeable future)^
When will you stop making up excuses for the Democrats?
Got "back" ...?
Got it for the first time. The purest most primal form of society is not one where all medical is covered by the government and all conditions are protected, that is a system we create for ourselves by voting for legislators who will enact it. You can try saying "voting harder doesn't work" when we actually try it once.
You can try saying "voting harder doesn't work" when we actually try it once.
Was the unpopular candidate winning with a historic number of votes in order to get Trump out not enough for you?
No, not even close, we need a democrat supermajority in congress to pass stuff. I don't like it either but that's how it's been for longer than I've been alive.
man i love the irony in these rage posts.
It's always such good memes.
Charaty is disingenuous. it attempts to burden the working class by paying some of what little they have to alleviate the societal problems caused by wealth inequity and a system that putts profits for a few over the lives and well beings of those actually doing the work and their loved ones. If we had medicare for all then this poor beautiful child would well be taken care of. And All the money thats otherwise used to pad the pockets of people who spend more on a weekend vacation than you or i could earn in a dozen consecutive lifetimes could be spent on research and medical care thats often denied to bolster profits. Go guilt trip the insurance companies who are responsible for the deaths of 180 human beings on aberage every day due to claim denials. How many of them are children?
I'm just saying if you're going to throw your money around on a cause, there are better options than Mangione. Insurance companies denied claims yesterday and they'll deny claims tomorrow, you haven't done shit about it.
true, good point, you could pay someone to kill someone, wait a minute...
(for legal reasons this is satire)
Unironically that would have more "impact" than paying Luigi's commissary. Successful or not I'd rather assassins got paid than the private prison canteen.
im guessing paying him commissary is only going to cause more problems in prison anyway. Money is a hard to get item in prison.
Prison Commissary or Canteen is a system in the USA where inmates can recieve designated prison goods like snacks, transparent game consoles, radios, or clothes via the account being prepaid by the prisoner's friends or family.
Any money you put on his books will NEVER go to Luigi.
yeah, not personally, the dude has no rights, he's in prison lmao
Instead of petulantly thinking that everyone has started supporting random murder, maybe actually consider the reasons Luigi gave for killing this man and that maybe it's those reasons and not random street violence which people are supporting?
The situation is so dire, so many people are dying out of the greed of people's profiting from the crazy system that murdering those people seems like a reasonable response.
Think about that.
What sort of a situation would result in murder actually being a reasonable choice? Because America is in that situation.
What sort of a situation would result in murder actually being a reasonable choice?
i can think of a few. Gary plauche notably.
Oh there's lots of situations.
The point being that when you're in a situation where it is, it's already pretty desperate. So no arguing needed here, this just having happened is enough evidence to point to how fucked capitalism is.
Reasons mean fuck all, I'm a consequentialist.
Well the consequences of our health care system has you arguing in bad faith about donating to children’s hospitals being a moral spend of money.
Arguably, it perpetuates the system.
The fuck is in bad faith? I'm serious. Any penny you would have sent to Luigi is infinitely more impactful when sent to a real charity that helps real innocents.
Yeah well let's check back in ten years and see what the consequences were. The global society, or even just the American society, is pretty large. Things which change in populations of hundreds of millions don't happen instantly.
We know there's a strong reaction from the corporate class, vis-a-vis added security, charging the woman who quoted Luigi, etc etc. We also know that Luigi has immense support behind him.
And you don't see that as being a developing situation? You've just called it that "nothing happened his actions meant nothing"? I'm starting to feel like you're some corporate troll. I'm not saying you are, but your breath clearly smells of boot-leather.
Luigi doesn't have a majority of support in any demographic, their highest is 41% among young voters and thats when you add the somewhat supports and definitely supports together into one group.
And whether you support him or not makes no difference. He isn't a senator or a city mayor.
Luigi doesn't have a majority of support in any demographic, their highest is 41% among young voters a
Oh corporate polls don't showed support for a person who murdered a corpo?
I'm socked.
And whether you support him or not makes no difference. He isn't a senator or a city mayor.
Which one was Rosa Parks?
Im not giving any money. Its winter and propane is $20 a refill lasting 3 days. Maybe ill send a christmas card I have some stamps lying around.
But the outpouring of support including people wanting to put money on mangione’s commissary is most likely due to the fact that many people have been thinking this for a while and if mangione is indeed responsible what he did was he said the quiet part out loud. And now the billionaires and their executive corporate pets are scrambling on pr and damage control to scold the rest of us for our irreverent response welcoming revolution and class war.