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Just try to tell them the parties are the same. I've been pilloried three times, they cut my balls off, and I'm set to be hung tomorrow at dusk.
- The issue isn't that the parties are the same. It is that neither should be in power. And you're all too fucking brainwashed to realize the only way out of this mess without violent revolution is a third party gaining power. And even with, probably.
  
  Amen brothersister
  
  3rd party can't really gain power with first past the post. We have to implement ranked choice or approval voting before meaningful 3rd party choices are viable.
- Saying a simplistic, basic-ass statement such like "both parties are the same" is just annoying and not correct
  
  Not recognizing that one party isn't better than the other is the stake in the heart of democracy, nothing will change until you realize this
  
  Counting negatives on my fingers...
  huh?
  
  Ok, but no one here said that. Thats a strawman liberals put up to avoid a few topics.
  Those topics you'd rather not talk about:
  Is all of gaza destroyed right now or not? Were tens of thousands of innocent civilians massacred there with our help on Bidens watch?
  If you admit the above then he's a war criminal isnt he.
  Bidens response to the defund and reallocate movement for justice was to ignore the plees and increase police funding, correct?
  Did abortion go down on Bidens watch? Did his previous work as head of the senate judiciary committee contribute to that?
  Didnt Biden carry through with his promise to the rich donors that "nothing would fundamentally change"?
  Biden and Harris were not for gun control were they. Are guns just not a problem anymore in our schools? School shootings stopped?
  Did the Dems talk about the issues important to the poor and middle class? They sure needed their votes.
  Did Biden have the polling numbers to win at any time in the 2 years leading up to the election? And did Harris do anything to differentiate herself from what was clearly a candidate who was about to lose in a big way?
  Did Biden/Harris even bother to craft and talk about a Dem party platform? All we heard was "I'm not trump".
  Do you think if Harris had differentiated herself from Biden, talked about the poor and working class's struggles and afirmed that the gaza war had to change, she would have still lost? I dont think so. But she chose not to do those things right.
  And now Biden/Harris lost but its everyone elses "fault"? come on man. Stop lying to yourself and holding a pointless grudge and leveling these "both sides are the same" playground name calling distractions from these truths. Biden and Harris made the choices that led to the loss. They are not victim here, they are the perpetrators. We all got effed by their incomptence and hubris. Every demographic of voter was angry at Biden/Harris. Do you deny that?
  You shouldnt be blaming the desperate voters who have been ignored and abused by their party, while excluding Biden/Harris from any blame. Some of you lot keep saying he's one of the best presidents ever-- when all of the above topics argue pretty strongly otherwise, if you;d just acknowledge that the topics even exist.
  But you wont. You wont reply, you'll downvote, and thats the end of it for you.
  
  Ok, but no one here said that.
  They literally did though, in those exact words.
  
  They literally did though, in those exact words.
  I said you'd use that as a distraction and not engage on any of the topics I listed and lo and behold, thats exacly what you did. Frustrating.
  
  Has is occurred to you that the reason no one is arguing that Biden and Harris aren't pieces of shit is because they are actually pieces of shit, and no one in this reply chain said otherwise? That's why "no one said that" was so funny to me.
  
  All of these shortcomings are true, yet none one of them are a valid excuse for not voting for the lesser of two evils, I don t understand how this is so hard to grasp for some people. Accusing the abstentionists for what they have caused doesn't imply absolving Biden of anything.
  
  Accusing the abstentionists for what they have caused.
  Oh my God, get over yourself
  
  Directing the attention towards the voters instead of the democratic party is a deliberate tactic to create division among the working class. The democratic party has way more power than your neighbour who didn’t vote. Getting angry at your neighbour will only alienate them further. It’s a waste of energy.
- They aren't the same. But they don't need to be the same for them to both suck and not deserve to be in power. But harm reduction is real.
  
  No it isn't. Harm reduction caused a genocide.
  
  Harm reduction would have saved trans people like me from being erased by the government.
  
  Our trans comrades are our front lines. If you're not fighting for them you're not fighting.
  
  Exactly. Voting has never been enough, but it's also the absolute bare minimum. How am I supposed to trust people to have my back who couldn't take an hour out of their day to check some boxes?
  
  Such things are never on the ballot
  
  Voting is fake
  System is rigged
  Only methods outside the system work
- You're ignorant or lazy if you cannot see the difference- even if it is a nuance . . .they are different. For easy reference just check the Internet for voting disparity between the parties. Give me your top 5 most important values and then see which party aligns with them. Most likely you will not be able to say - they are both the same when voting for or against the 5 values I hold in highest regard.
  
  My most important values are:
  no genocide, like under a whole Dem can we do that first?
  basic income for everyone regardless of status
  universal healthcare for anyone who ever should need it
  the legal system shouldnt discriminate based on who a person is
  you can fite me to to death on this, Trump is a shit piece and if i lived in Idaho I would have voted Harris but ya know what "oops" with regard to the electoral college I guess you are on the same team as me in Cali.
- See?! See?!
  
  Yeah, there is a reason my instance doesn't have downvotes or federates with the lemmy.world idiots
  
  Glad I finally got off world and can see your comments again. Missed you. Not trying to be weird, I just like your style.
  
  Yeah, I feel you. Every time I say that the earth is flat I get ridiculed left and right
  EDIT: Apparently I need a /s
  
  Why should you say that out loud?

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