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How would you describe orientalism? I'm Asian and grew up in the US. I don't really get it, and maybe a lot of discomfort I've felt in my life would make more sense if I could identify when I see it.

Feel free to add common myths about the East that you'd like cleared up. Or how you've already cleared it up. It might help me or another reader.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR511iAedYU
This is a video specifically about orientalism and Middle Eastern music in films and games. I think seeing how orientalism warps and flattens a specific part of the art we're presented with is a good primer for exploring the concept further.
- One thing I find difficult about orientalism as an aesthetic is that... it kind of slaps, doesn't it (as acknowledged in that video iirc). It's not just music either — so many great villains, settings, costumes etc etc. Like, it's completely understandable and right that you can't do Ming the Merciless anymore, but... that dude had a thing going on
  
  Yeah, its natural for art to develop themes, tropes, styles, and shorthand. But our shorthand for, say, Europe's Middle age doesn't actually replace anyone's understanding of European history. Even if people don't know all that much about it, they'll understand that the art doesn't actually communicate much about that cultural or historical reality.
  Yet as we start drifting outside that peninsula, that ability to distinguish artistic shorthand from real culture starts to drop off alarmingly.
  
  But our shorthand for, say, Europe's Middle age doesn't actually replace anyone's understanding of European history
  That period is horrible misconstrued due to the victorian age propaganda. Half of the "medivial age" based media is a horrible mishmash of 17-19th century anglo-norman-centric cultural memory imposed on the 10th-13th century timeframe. Like there were regions of western europe that DIDNT have "feudalism" (which is an antiquated term nowdays) at all.
  Of course its nothing compared to non-western cultures and their treatment (or complete erasure).
  
  But our shorthand for, say, Europe's Middle age doesn't actually replace anyone's understanding of European history. Even if people don't know all that much about it, they'll understand that the art doesn't actually communicate much about that cultural or historical reality.
  I don't think this is true at all actually. It's just different degrees of problematic
  
  Maybe my understanding of orientalism is wrong. As I see it, Western culture developed a set of ideas and tropes about other cultures that have, at best, a tenuous and overly-broad connection to the lives of a lot of different peoples that have been lumped together. Then it compounds, with new works recursively referencing older orientalist works, rather attempting to form even a single genuine connection to any of the many, many cultures that are supposedly being referenced.
  
  Orientalism only has the aesthetic of other cultures, but the ideas are just the things the "west" does not want to be. Its an long ingrained social weapon used cynically against the enemy du jour.
- I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
  yewtu.be
  inv.nadeko.net
  yt.artemislena.eu
  piped.video

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