mastodon.art defederating calckey firefish social. Cites behavior of lead project dev
mastodon.art defederating calckey firefish social. Cites behavior of lead project dev
This is an announcement and information post for members of mastodon.art. mastodon.art has limited firefish.social and moving to suspend...
mastodon.art has decided to suspend firefish.social from their instance due to issues with its administrator. The administrator of firefish.social was found to be boosting posts from a known harasser on another instance. mastodon.art takes a firm stance against racism and suspending full instances in these situations is part of their policy as a safe space. The known harasser has a history of using slurs, harassment, and editing screenshots to spread misinformation. However, the administrator of firefish.social has now forged a screenshot to paint mastodon.art in a negative light.
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All this defederation drama reminds me of the old 90s/2000s forum days where communities where split into ever smaller groups over rather banal disagreements until you had like dozens of forums with ever smaller userbases and various grades of moderation policies and technical capabilities, often leading to complete data lass after some admins noticed that there's actual work behind running internet services for lots of users. I worry the Fediverse is headed in a similar direction, though I hope I'm wrong.
Pulling out the banhammer and limiting almost 10k users for a disagreement between admins feels childish, imho. They could've just as well blocked just the admin of firefish.social from interacting with mastodon.art users. If I were on mastodon.art, I'd be migrating to space with saner administration.
Edit: Clarity.
> All this defederation drama reminds me of the old 90s/2000s forum days where communities where split into ever smaller groups over rather banal disagreements until you had like dozens of forums with ever smaller userbases and various grades of moderation policies and technical capabilities, often leading to complete data lass after some admins noticed that there’s actual work behind running internet services for lots of users. I worry the Fediverse is headed in a similar direction, though I hope I’m wrong.
You know, it reminds me of that as well but I have an opposite take. The forums I was most active on in the early 2000s were generally ones that had split from larger ones and had became smaller but much stronger and more personal communities as a result. You had the luxury of breaking off precisely because there was no expectation that one community would ever have a monopoly for a topic. Maybe my experience is unique, I don't know.
I can't speak for the specific situation here because I don't know anything about these instances. But the ability for people to split off after a terminal disagreement has generally struck me as a strong point to the voluntary federation we have.
It's not beef between two admins. Mastodon.art is strictly a "safes pace", so the admin choses what's safe.
Obviously, an instance admin having no issues with racism is a big fucking red flag about how they mod their instance.
In order to protect their instance and people on it, it's safer to defederate, than count "strikes" and send warnings.
I really don't think the firefish admin "has no issues with racism". The "evidence" there is that Kainoa (the admin) boosted a link to an Electric Frontier Foundation page sent by Eris. I think that's a ridiculous conclusion to make.
People say that this Eris person has posted some racist shit.
If they are allowed to be a racist shit on Firefish (even get boosted by admin, even though it's an article, but an acknowledgement nevertheless), I can see how the .art admin can assume that it's the wild west there.
If we're stating opinions, I do not think that's a ridiculous conclusion to make.
How do you know that the Firefish admin was actually aware of any racist posts? That's quite the jump to conclusion.
The actual issue is, that as an instance admin who had previously been in the loop for some time with #fediblock and other channels in which admins share this kind of info, folks expected him to already have disqordia blocked.
Also, it seems from his posts elsewhere that he actually was aware and didn’t care. Ample reason to defederate from .art’s perspective. (Firefish.social has subsequently silenced but not blocked disqordia)
All of this is relatively routine, the screenshot fabrication thing more unusual.
He has been informed, and took no action. No jumps anywhere.
- No, he was just de-federated with absolutely NO previous communication.
- There is still no real proof that Eris actually is racist at all. Everything is always "someone said/claims".
- That's false.
- Don't need proof, the admin can use their own judgement. This is not a faderal trial. It seems that ~30k poeple on .art trusts the admin's judgement.
- I am not aware of any further communication. T1C says there was no communication about it and I am not aware of claims from .art that state otherwise.
- That is ridiculous. Yes, it's their decision if they wanna federate with firefish.social or not. But accusing someone to support/accept racism needs some proof baking it.
I mean there's proof, I saw the admin's post with links. I just don't care to dig in this "drama" as you put it. .art admin I trust way more than the guy who fabricated some screenshots.
Believe who you want. It's just I choose to believe the more trustworthy person. And no, I don't want to "do my own research", because I simply don't know either of those people, or care about either of those instances.
In the end, their house, their rules. There's nothing ridiculous about it.
Meh, it's their instance they can do what they like. Not a fan? Move to another instance, it takes two clicks.
Yeah drama sucks, but we all get to pick a side (or not) and move on. All this really does is give both parties attention, and they seem to be loving it.
I’m pretty sure Akkoma allows for several levels before the admins fully defed another instance. Like, I think one is that they can take an instances off the public timeline. And I think it’ll be great when individual users can block instances (on the server side) so it doesn’t have to be on the admins and have ad much of an effect on the communities at large.