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Yeah, everyone knows that if a moderate like Kamala Harris or Joe Biden had won the election, they'd still be sending anyone who vaguely looks like an immigrant to a Salvadoran concentration camp, throwing dissidents in jail, crashing the economy by levying tariffs on every other country in the world, letting insurrectionists out of prison, turning federal law enforcement agencies into secret police, persecuting and calling for the extermination of LGBTQ people, accepting bribes to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in gifts from authoritarian regimes, abandoning Ukraine and Gaza by cozying up to strongmen like Netanyahu and Putin, letting organised labour be crushed into oblivion by refusing to enforce federal labour law, appointing unqualified morons into Cabinet, and dismantling every consumer protection agency in the US.
Yeah, these are all things that Harris or Biden would have done.
While you can say that the ship of state, or more Americanly, the car of state, doesn't tend to move forward when moderates or conservatives are in charge, the reason is because moderates don't know how to release the handbrake or shift the car out of neutral while conservatives stole the catalytic converter, drained the engine oil, and insist that refueling the car is DEI.
- Kamala Harris would undoutable be accepting open bribes for the Qatari government of a 747 jumbo jet which she'd still own personally after her term in office. I'm sure we'd also be stocked up on KAMALACOIN too. The HARRIS GOLD CARD for immigration preferential treatment would certainly have happened. Canada, Europe, and our other allies around the world would absolutely still be citing and recognizing the end of American leadership around the world. Tim Walz would have demanded Zelensky say "thank you" to Harris during their White House meeting. Yeah, certainly both sides are the same. /s
  
  You guys are really on a roll with these strawmen, keep them coming!
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  Straw men? You understand that these are actually things that are really happening, right?
  
  Yes I do, but neither I nor the meme is claiming "both sides are the same" nor that any of this would have happened if Kamala had won:
  Kamala Harris would undoutable be accepting open bribes for the Qatari government of a 747 jumbo jet which she’d still own personally after her term in office. I’m sure we’d also be stocked up on KAMALACOIN too. The HARRIS GOLD CARD for immigration preferential treatment would certainly have happened. Canada, Europe, and our other allies around the world would absolutely still be citing and recognizing the end of American leadership around the world. Tim Walz would have demanded Zelensky say “thank you” to Harris during their White House meeting.
  You are dropping this as some kind of gotcha, when it refutes no claim I have made.
   
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  Yes I do, but not neither I nor the meme is claiming “both sides are the same”
  The very first sentence in your meme literally has these words in this order:
  "Democrats like Joe Biden are the same as Republicans"
  
  And by the criteria used for the study, their attitudes and values don't substantially differ. That's the point of the article, and is a distinctly different statement than "both sides are the same" - because there is a spectrum of folks on that "side" as I outlined in another reply.
  Here is the article shown in the meme: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/biden-moderate-democrats-republicans-conservative-study-john-kasich-aoc-a9699431.html
  Here is a snippet of that article:
  Our findings show that concerns about political moderates — and specifically politically moderate men — are not unfounded. As America battles a global pandemic and an economic collapse and reckons with systemic racism, IDEALS suggests that moderate men may be the least likely to make a positive difference.
  When broken down by political leaning, IDEALS found that moderate male students in their senior year were time and again the least likely, or among the least likely, to somewhat or strongly agree with the following statements:
  And here is the table they are referring to in that quote:
  Also thank you for not making a deal out of my typo, which I will now go correct.
- Biden sacked the heads of four Ivy League Colleges, sent riot police to crush Palestine encampments and demonised anti genocide protestors as anti semites. He supplied near infinite weapons and political cover to enable mass murder in Gaza, carried out illegal bombing campaigns in Yemen and bear hugged Netanyahu even when the ICC issued arrest warrants.
  Liberal corporate media like the New York Times happily spread Hasbara propaganda about rapes ('screams before silence") and beheaded babies to manufacture consent for genocide.
  Trump is no angel but Biden and liberal apparatchiks in the media set the tone for the clampdown on civil rights with their insane support for israel
  
  Yes, and if that's the only issue that matters to you, and you ignore the impact on all those other people, I guess that's fair to say they are the same. But does all that extra suffering serve a purpose? Are you volunteering yourself to bear any of it, or only others?
  
  I do think that the unchecked influence of Zionist lobbying is one of the core issues of our time.
  The U.S. political class has become a mouthpiece for israeli genocide, funnelling billions and betraying its own citizens to serve a foreign power.
  Netanyahu received over 30 standing ovations when he addressed Congress under Biden while he had an arrest warrant under the ICC. That's not normal.
  Meanwhile shadowy groups like Betar are directing Homeland Security on who to detain next. There is every likelihood that this is a front for Israel.
  
  I do think that the unchecked influence of Zionist lobbying is one of the core issues of our time.
  While the unchecked influence of Russian online campaigns (and actual armies) is only of secondary interest.
  Break the Russians first, they are a vastly worse threat than anyone else, period.
  
  Nobody claimed that Biden was a perfect president or even a particularly good one. And Harris was certainly deeply flawed in her positions in many ways. But saying that those two are no different from Trump is like saying that a plumber who just stands there and watch your pipes leak is the same as a plumber who bashes them open and floods your house, because neither of them actually fixed the leak. Obviously one is way worse.

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