What "frugal" tricks have you found to just not be worth it, either in time or money?
What "frugal" tricks have you found to just not be worth it, either in time or money?
I've noticed sometimes that there's some half-baked videos or blogs or whatever that purport this or that frugal trick, but if you look at the time or math, it's not actually frugal for you.
What are some examples of that you've come across? The things that "aren't worth it"?
For me it's couponing. (Although I haven't heard people talk about it recently--has it fallen out of "style", or have businesses caught up to the loopholes folks used to exploit?)
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The cheapest option is always cheapest for a reason. Incrementally so the amount cheaper it is than the average.
Doesn't necessarily mean it's cheaper for a bad reason though. There are often instances where the cheaper option can also be the better option.
Exactly. That simple can opener with a crank will outlast that fancy electronic one and probably be less effort to use. Sometimes simpler and cheaper really is better.
But often cheaper is just crap.
Those are different things though. The comparison is your trusted brand quality metal can opener with a crank vs the quarter of the price in genuine chinesium.
Yeah, they are different things, but they accomplish exactly the same goal. In fact, a simple chinesium can opener (crank or even no moving parts) could outperform a fancy automatic one in the areas you're most concerned with (perhaps durability).
To me, frugality is more than just finding a low price on something, it's about solving a need in the most price-efficient way. So I'll compare based on need, not features.
Sure, but then the comparison also becomes pointless. That my shoes are cheaper than a used bicycle or a fully equipped modern car says nothing about either.
Frugality isn't about individual products, but about lifestyle and needs.
Product X isn't always better or worse than product Y, it's all relative to your needs. For example, if I'm on vacation, I'll buy the single use can opener from the dollar store instead of a nicer one that could last years. But if I'm at home, I'll buy something that lasts a lot longer. Maybe you'd pick X in one scenario and Y in another.
As for shoes vs bike vs car, here's a concrete example. I used to work about 10 miles away, and the company was located right next to a bike path that connects near to my house. My options were:
- bus + nicer pair of shoes - bus was ~mile from my house, and dropped me off right next to work - total trip time ~1 hour (20 min to the stop, 40min on the bus due to a transfer), a bit more in the winter (we get lots of snow)
- bicycle - 40-60 min year round (ride to the bus in the winter); cost $500-600 (dependable and has rack mounts)
- car - 20-40 min year round, depending on traffic and road conditions
Average costs over 5-ish years:
- walking - $100 for shoes + $4/day (no annual pass options; 250 days/year) for the bus = $1100
- bicycle - $600 for bicycle, $30/year maintenance (two chains/year, one cassette over 5 years), ~$50/year bus fare = ~$1000
- car - will have one regardless (need for road trips), so my estimate is something like $0.25/mile in extra costs beyond the insurance and registration I'll pay anyway; so that's ~$1k per year
So cycling and walking+bus are about the same price, and I can use the bicycle for trips to the store and whatnot, so I went for the bicycle.
If my commute was longer, the bicycle would be impractical unless there was a good train line or something. If I lived closer to work (say, 1-2 miles), I'd just walk. But for that situation, the bicycle was the cheapest long term option that met my needs.
I don't know if you're missing the point of the original advice on purpose or if you're just in it for some sake of a social circle frugality. Regardless, please let me take advice from your verbosity and make it absolutely clear with my intention.
The point of the original post was that the money you save buying the cheapest alternative of the comparable range of product you have isolated as an appropriate solution for your predicament is likely a bad investment, for if it is priced way below the median - without being on a fire sale or some other reasonable circumstance - the shaving off the price must be in the production, be it in quality of said product or exploitation of producers, as there is always a price down the line, be it monetary from your own pocket for an early replacement product, or the collective cost of making life a little bit worse for somebody else on the other side of the globe. Agreed, the latter may or may not be of consequence for the subject.
The point in the follow up addresses that if you compare single instances relativistically across classes, you have no frame of reference if any of your selected candidates are of preferred cost/quality as there is no singular frame of reference. This implies a preliminary step of filtration of the range of products to compare, the very one that you're showing through an example.
My advice is regarding the step following the iterative process of analysis and selection. That is, we've compared either shoes, bicycle, car, bus ticket, hitch hiking or levitation and have decided that the class of shoes will do the trick.
We now need to assemble a selection of candidates from our previously decided class of solution. And to complicate even more, shoes as well come in different types and ranges! A pair of hiking boots? Genuine Italian leather shoes? A pair of flip flops? Can we already apply the rule of thumb to not trust the cheapest option? Oh, let us not be hasty. Flip flops may well serve our needs, should we have good feet and our commute is short and vacant and we reside in a hot climate. If, though, we live in norse climate, other types of shoes may be more appropriate to trod through snow and water and ice and general grimness. I'll leave it for the imagination to decide the subclass of shoes to be decided upon, personal preferences and all that, which shall not hinder the flow of this narrative.
It is now and only at this stage, now when we have already narrowed down from class to subclass to segment and subsegment and filtered out marked up brands and price ranges that are beyond our scope. Now that we have a handful of viable items of which we shall decide upon one pair of actual physical shoes we shall wear for this season and hopefully many more to come, it is now and only now that we can apply this final filter.
Our hypothetical selection has one pair of a highly reputable brand that are nearly four hundred money, but are whispered in the shadows to last a lifetime if not many. The middle section of a hundred to two hundred money a pair of branded shoes that all seem fair, and in the bottom end that one pair that caught our eye that are fifty money at full price with a brand name we've never seen before and can not find a single hint that they might be a snazzy eco friendly high ergonomy fair trade product that is breaking in on the market at a provocatively disruptive price point. Unfortunately, they are but an unknown pair of footwear at a tempting low price.
It is at this point we can apply the wisdom I wish to bring forth.
If the median is somewhere around one hundred and fifty money for a pair of shoes that fill our preset requirements, my words are that it is recommended to take in consideration why the price of both these outlier shoes are at such difference from the others in our list, and to make an informed decision based upon parameters other than the numbers on the price tag, for it may well be a deception with the savings of the lowest immediate cost as the difference may well present also the difference in quality, and likewise the expense for the top end may keep our feet dry and comfy for winters upon generations to come.
Yes, it is here that I wish to inject these words to remember.
What is cheapest, is always the cheapest for a reason. There is always a reason. Always. And in a market economy it's rarely a good reason, except maybe in the short term for the monetary receiving end of the transaction. There may be the rare exception, but it will never be a bad advice to consider it for whatever purchase you make that is of some hint of significance.
That is a fantastic piece of satire. I had a good chuckle, so thanks for that. I read most of it, but I admit I skimmed a bit in the middle.
My point is that something being cheap doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. That's the original intent I was responding to, and it matches your final paragraph.
What is cheapest, is always the cheapest for a reason. There is always a reason. Always.
Evaluate what you need, look at the options, and pick something that will solve it.
To me, frugality isn't about the price you pay, but the value you get long term. Maybe the cheapest option fits with that, but most likely you'll want something a few notches above that, but somewhere below the median. A lot of people don't look at the options and just buy whatever is popular. Frugality is about looking beyond that.
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The way I've come to phrase this principle:
You don't always get what you pay for, but you definitely don't get what you don't pay for.
It is a good permutation, with less opening for hypothetical hang ups and what is.
Sometimes items may be a loss leader and sold as a motivator…getting cheap shit in Vegas but not gambling, for example. Sometimes Black Friday products are inferior models…sure…but sometimes they lose money to make money elsewhere and you can be smart to use it 😊