Bluesky Is Plotting a Total Takeover of the Social Internet
Bluesky Is Plotting a Total Takeover of the Social Internet
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Bluesky Is Plotting a Total Takeover of the Social Internet
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I'd still rather there be more choices personally. Not everyone is going to go for the Fediverse, so in that case rather Bluesky than Twitter or Facebook.
Also, recently feddit just announced that they're going to be using their subjective discretion to remove "anti Israel, pro Palestine" comments and posts, out of fear of regulations back home. So it turns out that Lemmy instances are just as vulnerable to government censorship and / or bad actors being in charge as any other platform. There's nothing really stopping any large instance from deciding to monetize or whatever that I can see.
And it's really not as simple as just moving to another instance if the one you're on becomes questionable because then you lose your entire comment history and if you mod a community, you lose everything you've built and have to start over. Just like if you moved from any platform to any other platform, decentralization isn't a benefit here.
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So it turns out that Lemmy instances are just as vulnerable to government censorship and / or bad actors being in charge as any other platform.
The feddit.org interpretation of that law is debated. Lemmy.world is hosted using a German company (Hetzner), and LW doesn't have such policy.
There’s nothing really stopping any large instance from deciding to monetize or whatever that I can see.
People would leave for another instance.
you lose your entire comment history
Add a link in your bio to your old profile, and vice-versa. Keep the same username and avatar. None of my current alts are from June 2023, but people still recognize me since then as I kept the same username and avatar.
you mod a community, you lose everything you’ve built and have to start over
https://lemmy.world/c/football is a good example of smooth transition to !football@lemm.ee: pinned post that pinged everyone who interacted recently in the community to make sure everyone is aware, and several announcements about the move. You don't have to completely start over.
A few other examples
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It works as a bandaid solution, but a more seamless account migration would go a long way to make the fediverse as a whole better imo.
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How often would the average user use this feature? Maybe a few times during instance hopping at first, and then that would be it.
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I'm more thinking about users on small instances that are being abandoned or perhaps fall victim to some defederation drama (or similar) over time.
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The feddit.org interpretation of that law is debated
Sure but that doesn't change that they interpreted it the way they did and now they're enforcing that interpretation. Theoretically any instance could do whatever they want but in reality this instance did the thing that everyone worries about centralised platforms doing.
I get that you can leave links to your old profile and communities, you can also do that on forum sites and any other platform when you switch. I still don't see any difference or benefit here. As an end user that just wants a place to shit post and isn't trying to run a server or write code or whatever, the experience is the same, whether I'm trying different Lemmy instances or different centralised platforms. And it'll be the same until I can take my online presence and all of its history, pack my bags and go elsewhere with it. Not sure how that would work though, I'm just spitballing here.
Anyway, I think this is probably a conversation that I'm gonna avoid and ignore in future here though. I get the sense that the only place to discuss certain aspects of the Fediverse without people getting angry or taking things personally is somewhere outside of the Fediverse. Because people are weird and defensive about it and make it part of their personality, which I think is the reason for at least 50% of the hate towards Bluesky.
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Sure but that doesn’t change that they interpreted it the way they did and now they’re enforcing that interpretation. Theoretically any instance could do whatever they want but in reality this instance did the thing that everyone worries about centralised platforms doing.
Indeed, but the main difference between a centralized platform and a decentralized one is how easy it is for users to change communities.
If Reddit bans a subreddit, users cannot create any alternative subreddit on the whole platform.
In the feddit.org case, other users have set up !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com , which everyone can use instead of !europe@feddit.org without having to create a new account.
I still don’t see any difference or benefit here.
See above.
I get the sense that the only place to discuss certain aspects of the Fediverse without people getting angry or taking things personally is somewhere outside of the Fediverse.
You could create a Fediverse-critic community here, and establish rules who would shape the community that way. There was a !linuxsucks@lemmy.world community that was active for a while.
Because people are weird and defensive about it and make it part of their personality, which I think is the reason for at least 50% of the hate towards Bluesky.
People have seen Reddit and Twitter enshittify because of their centralised model. A decentralized model is considered a solution to this.
I think Bluesky would get less criticism here if they were honest about the fact that they aren't really going for a decentralized model instead of pretending they are, but then it costs millions to run an independent node would require a whole company
The likely answer to this is that there will always have to be a large corporation at the heart of Bluesky/ATProto, and the network will have to rely on that corporation to do the work of abuse mitigation, particularly in terms of illegal content and spam. This may be a good enough solution for Bluesky’s purposes, but on the economics alone it’s going to be a centralized system that relies on trusting centralized authorities.
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You mention the costs of running a relay as mentioned in the Christine Lemmer-Webber piece, but since that piece was written, Bluesky made a significant update to how relays work, making them much cheaper to operate. Bryan Newbold made a blog post about how he managed to run a relay for $34 a month. Dozens of people run such full-network relays now! Christine Lemmer-Webber herself even first assumed those were not pulling the full network, but later corrected herself!
It remains to be seen how well all of that will scale if the network continues to grow, but can we please please move away from completely exaggerated claims like "it costs millions to run an independent node"?
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Oh, very interesting!
Seems like the blog post and Christine's updates are quite new, maybe they deserve their own post here in the community?
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You could create a Fediverse-critic community here
I wouldn't go that far lol. It's just interesting watching how people vote on certain posts and opinions. I'll most likely still speak my mind regardless, it'll just be one of those things that I know will be 'controversial' around here every time lol.
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