2d ago

Three children zip-tied at the San Antonio immigration court, ages 9-12

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no matter what you think of (maybe illegal) immigrants, tying up minors is totally stupid. typically american, i would even say!
- The cruelty is the point, as per standard procedure.
- Tying up minors in itself may or may not be unreasonable. Zip ties are a common field hand cuff. That being said, if anyone hasn’t shown a need to be restrained (ie. Violent), they should not be restrained
  
  I don’t think anybody is debating the use of zip ties vs cuffs here dude
  And yes tying up minors because they are in the country illegally - likely brought in by their parents - is completely unreasonable.
  You cannot let this be normal to you. You should look at this picture, learn the context, and be disgusted. Not hem and haw about it
  
  You cannot let this be normal to you. You should look at this picture, learn the context, and be disgusted. Not hem and haw about it>
  Edit I found the article, but somewhat disappointed that the context is one of the last comments with minimal engagement or up votes. ~~Is there context available for this picture? I have not seen an article associated with it, just comments in the thread comparing ICE to Nazis.~~ I can't think of many instances where zip tieing or handcuffing children is appropriate, but that is not the same as there never being such an instance.
  I don't want to fall for rage bait, like with the "US Citizen Deported" headlines for citizen children going with their deported parents. Not that I am saying that is ok either, as any rush to deport where lawyers have not had time to be involved to ensure deported parents have all their options fully explored to ensure what is best for the children is a gross miscarriage of justice caused by a criminally understaffed immigration system, but misrepresenting what is happening by calling it deportation of US citizens doesn't help.
  If this is in immigration court then no one should be cuffed outside of provenly dangerous individuals because it creates a subconscious bias of guilt, which is why it's not allowed in regular court. Also any cop that cannot maintain control of a single child under 10 without cuffs doesn't belong in physical law enforcement.
  That being said, I can't say that physical restraints are never appropriate for both officer and detainee safety in any situation, because sometimes it most certainly is.
  
  I just searched “children ice center zip tied” and got multiple hits like this one immediately.
  
  Thank you for replying, and I did find it at the bottom of the thread after replying. Unfortunately, I believe this will get harder as the number of incidents and pictures increase, and I believe there will be bad actors and bots taking advantage of that fact in the future as well.
  This was posted as three children zip tied, but the article captions it as at least one because it looks like it might be only the oldest cuffed. It may be (probably is) totally unreasonable for that young man (could be anywhere from 10-18 by that picture, and I am not giving the benefit of the doubt to ICE) to be cuffed, but the OP implying all those children were zip tied could very well be sensational over exaggeration if there isn't context backing that up.
  
  Man I’ve tried being polite about this but if people like you spent half as much energy looking into what was going on and considering the implications as you do trying to find reasons to downplay this, maybe this wouldn’t be happening.
  
  I'm a bit confused and maybe something got lost in translation. A picture was posted of something questionable that appears to be a bad thing, with the poster of said picture saying it's even worse than what the picture shows. You told someone to look at the context for why it is indeed as bad as the poster said, but someone asking about the context you referred to/found is, is a bad thing/downplaying?
  
  Honestly I’m just tired of reading paragraph after paragraph when you could’ve done a cursory Google search and answered all these questions for yourself.
  Get mad or get out of the way dude. I just don’t feel like engaging this anymore.
  
  Oh yeah, you think that 9 year old may have been a threat?
  
  I never said that. I said you shouldn’t rule it out, but generally you shouldn’t restrain people - regardless of age
  
  i agree fully

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