Three children zip-tied at the San Antonio immigration court, ages 9-12

that doesn't answer my question. were they illegals?

team america only starts as satire, in the end it's pretty ra ra usa

Hell, I'll chip in for bail

I've got to a couple protests but they feel like they're just for show. They're not disruptive. They're not making clear, actionable, demands. They're better than nothing. i saw people handling out flyers so maybe some people went to more meetings.

But I feel like there needs to be more specific stuff. Like, a demand that musk be removed from government, or trump be removed via the 14th amendment, or whatever, and that needs to be backed by "if you don't listen to us, then you don't get any more labor". (Violence, I'm told, is less effective, but can also be there in the subtext)

But actually organizing large things is hard, especially when the state and the money are opposing you.

I can't even get my friends to suffer the mild inconvenience of getting off facebook, nevermind getting off the couch.

I feel like this 'movement' is a pressure valve to let off steam and stop any actual rising up.

Protesting, boycotting, and townhalls were acceptable methods before he got power. Now praxis is needed.

There are a lot of different ways to resist. I'm throwing my money and some volunteer effort at lawsuits to gum up the works, add friction to a bunch of the Trump administration's decisions, and make them expend a ton of resources even to accomplish the things within their power (or that are inevitable).

I know people who are feeding bad data into the surveillance state, clogging immigration and DEI tip lines with plausible but ultimately incorrect leads that waste their time.

There's a pretty serious boycott movement and it is making a difference to some businesses' bottom lines.

There's a bunch of other ways to contribute:

• Stirring the pot and feeding internal faction rivalries, like DOGE vs populist MAGA vs business interests. Elon Musk has lost a few prominent internal fights (China briefing at the Pentagon, hand picked IRS chief fired less than a week in, his NASA pick being withdrawn). These guys think chaos is a ladder, but chaos can swallow them up, too.
• Disruption with plausible deniability: blocking doors and driveways that look unintentional, jury nullification, firing Trumpers for pretextual reasons, wasting Trump supporting businesses' time and money, pranks that cause Trumpers to gather in the wrong place, etc.
• Further escalation as situations warrant.

If things escalate to where property destruction, outright fraud or scams or other white collar crime, or violence is justified, it won't be sudden. It will be a gradual build up, with legal resistance giving way to nonviolent disruption to property destruction and theft to violent resistance. But I think it's worth exhausting the less disruptive options first, and be satisfied that escalation is justified at each step where that actually happens.

I think some of these protests so far are controlled opposition to prevent real progressive movement in preference for same old bs from DNC. We need to weed out the fakes

I don’t think anybody is debating the use of zip ties vs cuffs here dude

And yes tying up minors because they are in the country illegally - likely brought in by their parents - is completely unreasonable.

You cannot let this be normal to you. You should look at this picture, learn the context, and be disgusted. Not hem and haw about it

Oh yeah, you think that 9 year old may have been a threat?

I recognize biology, but if you choose to follow nonsense and have no critical thinking, you are a rascist Nazi.

Ouch.