2d ago

Ladies: please help me understand.

It's literally the most natural thing in the world to equate reproductive effectiveness to worth. All life is "worth" their reproductive effectiveness. So not having sex is very relevant to our entire existence as a species.

As such, our mental faculties put a heavy punishment in the form of mental pain, i.e. "self-worth attached to getting laid", on this whole thing.

This has very little to do with societal expectations. It's simple biology. Not getting laid is supposed to be one of the worst things for an organism.

You're rationally right with what you say, but it's simply not very relevant. Rationality does not help with our most deeply rooted biological desires. The only thing that helps is getting them fulfilled, i.e. having sex."

From the Blackpill incel thread

I can't tell I'm just too ace to comprehend this. Is this a thing? Do women feel this? I argued it's more of a "societal expectation" thing and was countered with.. this.

Not saying this user is wrong, I just am having a difficult time understanding this.

"Our most deeply rooted biological desires" has me squinting real hard. Do women feel this way, too? Idk I'm absolutely confused af

EDIT: Please do NOT brigade the blackpill thread. No touch. Seriously.

Realization achieved: it's not an incel discussion thread: it's now an incel defense thread. What a fuckin' waste ffs..

21 comments

This reads like a deliberate misunderstanding of the definition of "evolutionary success", which is that offspring are born and survive to create a new generation.
That whole mess of words that person wrote is actually why some biologists have been trying to reframe the definition. There is a book published by Oxford that even says "success is a value word", which means in science that it's measurable, not that it's tied to worth.
- The typical manosphere (especially incel) understanding of "evolution" falls completely on its face when the existence of the following is looked at:
  Homosexuality.
  Eusocial organisms.
  Reality.
  
  I think it's really funny that people like this use science to back up their claims. Diversity is the single largest reason for evolutionary success, without diversity populations can wither away to disease and environmental stressors. Most of those people have such a narrow view of who is acceptable to populate the earth with, which increases the chances that undesirable mutations flourish in the gene pool
  Also, there are species with thousands of sexes, some that change gender, and many that reproduce without any genetic contact with another organism. There's lots of ways to get to "evolutionary success", and all of them have nothing to do with whether a certain individual gets laid