[Meta] Admins (not mods) here are already swinging around the content-removal-hammer
[Meta] Admins (not mods) here are already swinging around the content-removal-hammer
Check the modlog for proof, a discussion post about moving this instance to an instance that shan't be named now got removed for "linking to instance featuring pedo content".
Ironically that exact possibility was reason for the discussion in the first place so seeing it happen this quickly is a bit funny.
Not sure how best to go about linking to said instance since it seems to get your content removed. DM's would be the only solution I guess but not sure if those are checked as well.
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All they've removed is a post that linked to an instance that they had de-federated from. They haven't really taken off any anime related content from the time I've been here so claiming it's content removal hammer is overblown. I also don't agree with the migration to the other instance. This is the largest anime community by far on lemmy, it's where most new users will migrate to and other than not having access to Shinobu, there has been little to no signs of being censored or anything.
People come here because it's big. It's big because people come here.
What if we went over there? What if we made the one over there big? Big, and entirely under the control of actual fans of anime who don't dismiss the entire medium as porn, I might add. Wouldn't that be better?
I think some people have stockholm from how anime communities were treated on reddit and don't realize that they can get a whole lot less censorship than that. I think it's in everyone's best interest if we move this last piece over. The lemmy.ml admins (at least in part) don't want us here and people coming here likely don't want the same bs censorship that was on reddit. Always ducking your head because getting noticed means half the content of the month gets hammered wasn't fun on reddit and if possible I'd like this to be a better experience than that.
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In my opinion, the migration is sensible because:
- You need to know a topic decently enough to be able to moderate a community about it. And yet it's unreasonable to expect the admins of lemmy.ml - a community about free/open source and privacy - to know about anime.
- There's no inherent reason why this comm is the largest anime comm in Lemmy. It's simply that this comm is three years old, from a time when "Lemmy" was mostly just lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, there was no other place in Lemmy to discuss anime.
- Lemmy as a whole benefits from redirecting traffic from larger instances to smaller ones. Specially instances unrelated to politics and tech. In fact, lemmy.ml's admins asked users to use other instances not too long ago.
Communities are best served by an instance more tailored to their content. General instances are good and convenient for people new to the platform, but they're dangerous to communities. Think of all the
beehaw.orgcommunities that are effectively quarantined from.worldusers. Not that defederation is wrong, in fact I'm a huge supporter of defederation as a whole. But putting relevant content onto a more relevant instance will ensure that the community will be more likely accessible, broadly, to users regardless of defederation.If
.mlwishes to not have anime content, that's entirely their prerogative. It's important, then, that anime be moved to somewhere that is is welcome, or else those in the community may find themselves without a community at any given time.You need to know a topic decently enough to be able to moderate a community about it. And yet it's unreasonable to expect the admins of lemmy.ml - a community about free/open source and privacy - to know about anime.
This is what mods are for. The sleight-of-hand is silly and obvious.
Not just the mods. Admins can (and should) also moderate content in their instances, specially when it comes to the global rules. And it's clear that lemmy.ml admins want to do so, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist on first place.
Yeah, but the admins, as the thread has shown, are mainly reining in violations of sitewide policy. Instance rules are mainly the job of mods.
Yeah, but the admins, as the thread has shown, are mainly reining in violations of sitewide policy. Instance rules are mainly the job of mods.
So the admins are reining in violations of lemmy.ml-wide policy... while lemmy.ml rules are mainly the job of the mods??? Congratulations, that's the dumbest thing that I've read today.
Couple the above with the backpedalling (from "This is what mods are for." to "Instance rules are mainly the job of mods."; emphasis on "mainly") - a sleight of hand, while lying that I was the one using a sleight of hand - and I'm led to the conclusion that you have nothing meaningful to add to this discussion, and can be safely ignored as dead weight and noise.
Unlike the above, does anyone here have any decent counter-argument against "migrating this comm to that other instance would be sensible"?
while lemmy.ml rules are mainly the job of the mods??? Congratulations, that's the dumbest thing that I've read today.
Comm rules exist in addition to instance rules. You know, like those where "knowing about anime" etc. might actually carry some importance. Your rush to do an own has left you speaking complete nonsense.
Actually according to the modlog, some "mod" removed for "Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete • Gushing over Magical Girls - Episode 1 discussion" citing Rule 3 "No Porn"
I mean the show is risque, but we're starting to see nipples on Hollywood red carpets these days...
"mod" being in quotes because of the uncertainty elsewhere in this post...
It was removed by an admin, Arthur Besse. And in that specific case I can see both sides being reasonable - the lemmy.ml admins want it to be strictly SFW (that's fine) and some anime fans want to discuss ecchi (I think that the show is ecchi? That's also fine, really).
IMO it's just another reason why this comm should migrate - this is bound to happen again here, and again, and again, increasing the burden for the admins and displeasing the userbase. (It could be worse. Imagine now a hypothetical second season for Ishuzoku Reviewers.)
...Aaaand the entries from the modlog concerning deleting my thread and post have been deleted.
Wonderful transparency there....
Fortunately, the bookwormstory.social entries are still there, so I could recover my scribblings.
You're talking about your thread about Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete, right? It's still in the modlog for me, even in private mode. I don't think that they removed the entry.
yeah I don't think they are actively messing with the modlog. That would get them a pretty huge outrage if discovered so I think it's more likely just buggy, wouldn't be the only thing currently not working as intended.
I mean the show is risque, but
If there's an "uncensored" version* because of the nudity, it probably qualifies as soft porn, all the more when a portion of the cast are minors (as the Wikipedia summary suggests they are). This doesn't strike me as a hill worth dying on.
*It's been trending on 9anime
They removed a post on Mahoako and a post on Roshidere apparently. And most people sign up for .world anway
People sign up for .world and subscribe to this community.
new user signs up
"hey let's talk about the latest episode of mahoa-" [removed]
"hey let's talk about the latest volume of roshide-" [removed]
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It really isn't the largest though, maybe by users but certainly not by activity. For example the post about "The Boy and Heron" winning a golden globe got 9 comments on the unspeakable instance and only 2 here. From my own experience posting to both that seems to be the norm.
Regarding content removal from what I saw in the modlog the most concerning action other than preventing people from talking about alternatives was removing the Alya-san Key Visuals. So that gives you a good baseline of what will get hammered if noticed: pretty much everything.
The defederation being grounds for removal of all mention is a bit silly but not a discussion I'm willing to go into here as it would be pretty off-topic. I repsect your opinion on the matter but imo it's a very slippery slope to ban talking about something outright.
To be pretty blunt here closing down here is more a formality than anything really, even just stat wise there are slightly more active users on the other instance and the users there are apparently a lot more engaged in discussion than people here.