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21 day old account. Most posts are about not voting in the election to support Palestine. While what's happening in Gaza is genocide, this account smells like a Russian shill trying to spread FUD in the form of memes. The key part of diplomacy is not running around telling everyone what's being discussed in private. We shouldn't hear about potential deals until they are decided on. If Trump wins, he'll do the same thing Israel is currently doing to eliminate Hamas - which is to go through the Palestinian people.
After you wrote this comment, OP made a concern troll post on the Men's Liberation community.
You were totally on point about the FUD thing.
Yeah... I'm only surprised that they shifted tactics so quickly. Fear, Unrest, and Doubt are the key tactics in Russian Disinfo campaigns. There's an old axiom: If someone is trying to make you feel strongly about something, then they are trying to sell you something. In this case, OP Is trying to piss people off in order to convince them of propaganda and Russian talking points.
This "everybody who disagrees with me is a russian shill" narrative is majorly tiresome. You need to give it up. I dont care that russia once paid a guy to write comments on reddit, that doesnt negate your responsibility to engage with all posts in good faith. You know who else was very willing to state publically that they were right about a topic? Everybody who has ever been right about something.
The thing theyre trying to "sell" you is that genocide is bad. Dont think yourself out of a good idea just because somebody else had it first.
BULLSHIT.
The thing that it seems most of them are trying to sell everyone on is to not vote- which is exactly what most right-wing and Russian propaganda also seem to want.
Did you ever notice that the people they’re pleading to also never seem to be Trump supporters? Did you ever notice that it’s almost ALWAYS “don’t vote for Biden” rhetoric?
Did you ever wonder why?
And it’s very easy to say that maybe, just MAYBE… they’re suggesting no one vote for either, but everyone knows who they’re really talking to.
it says don't JUST vote. that means vote and then do more. your accusation of shilling is disgusting.
Calling others shill is like the go-to accusation these days
its a cointelpro tactic commonly called "badjacketing". i don't know why it's tolerated on lemmy when it can so easily be stamped out.
Do you really expect the people who call everybody they disagree with a shill to be able to read?
No but in this case it is correct.
I didn't write it for them. I wrote it for anyone who might think their drive-by had weight
If Biden listens more then does popular things, the effect won't be in Putin's interest. Just saying.
Biden needs to pull voters from Trump.
There are two types of Democrat voters today. Those who will suck it up and vote for him because he's not trump, and those who will find some excuse to not vote for him because he's not perfect. If he does the right thing for Palestine, they'll complain it wasn't fast enough, or they'll complain about his stance on marijuana, or on the environment, or on some other random thing.
"Not perfect" uhh that's incredibly hyperbolic. A piece of cheese could do just as well as Biden has as president. He's appealed to the right and the banks far more than to the left at a time when issues like those you mentioned desperately need to be addressed ASAP. He's made little strides in the right direction but if you look deeply into any of his policies they're more posturing than anything. I've said it here before but in a reasonable world he'd be running as a Republican. The left can and should disown him given his history, connections and actions.
Biden is a republican.
He's a Democrat, thus more than 50% Republican.
No he’s not
'not perfect' is a big leap from 'also evil as fuck', which is what he is.
Lesser of two evils. And unfortunately, you have to pick one.
yeah by all means, choose one.
but you know its not a choice right? its not like this meme is wrong per se
You are misunderstanding online discussions. Critiques of Biden's stances on issues like marijuana, comes from a place of trying to help Biden win. Only trolls would claim they stopped voting for Democrats because they didn't legalize weed. "As a gay black man" type posters.
Genocide is different. Blaming progressive voters because they refuse to arm a genocide is a twisted thing to do. And people online need to realize how they are only making things worse with this genocide complicity.
Critiques of Biden's stances... comes from a place of trying to help Biden win.
I really wish this was true, it feels like every time I try to be charitable I end up getting burned.
And heaven knows Biden needs to be criticized, because even a ton of Democrats are getting righteously pissed off at him. If we have another 2016 situation, I think the backlash to him would be more justified than the backlash to Hillary Clinton's pathetic campaigning, at least before we all got annihilated by a nuclear bomb or executed by a gang of blackshirts sent out by Trump's executive order 66.
Especially because it was implicit that Biden would step down and did not pursue a second term, gracefully abdicating the position to somebody, almost anybody else.
“As a gay black man” type posters
So yall have been alienating gay black men from lemmy? wtf?
He's buddies with Netanyahu and IIUC moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
Did you just call a genocide imperfect? What would a perfect genocide look like?
Meh… the Holocaust could have been better. Listen, Biden’s doing a genocide, he’s not perfect.
Yes yes, genocide is super bad. Totally agree.
If you could point me to a candidate with a realistic chance to win that has no genocide, I'm happy to vote for them. But last I checked we were in the United States which has first past the post voting, so we don't get that option. We don't vote FOR candidates, we vote AGAINST the ones we like least.
I would be thrilled if I was somehow wrong, and would love for you to help me understand.
Sure, trump has never genocided anybody. Im not saying hes not trash, but, no genocide.
He's only promised to turn this country into a dictatorship...
I mean you can be happy you STUCK TO THE MAN with your last chance to vote in your lifetime.
But he hey you win!
Congress and Republicans will limit or regress (see Roe ) any improvements by the population. The system was set up to limit the power of the people.
The reality is that only a consistent strong social movement can influence the ruling powers. They know this. So with media and consumerism, they have created a Controlled Opposition, with the illusion of concessions. There is a reason wealth inequality is worse than the gilded age of the robber barons, but there are no revolts.
Our society is too polarized and fragmented to effect real change. Voting for Biden is like using buckets 🪣 of water to keep the boat afloat. We’re still sinking.
It will take a catalyst. An economic crash, natural disaster, another pandemic, etc. to provide the space for mobilization to effect change through organization. Everyone is sleeping on the climate crisis and the droughts, food shortages and mass migration that will eventually cause global destabilization. That’s why inflation is here to stay and the rich are building bunkers. They know the jig is up and are planning accordingly.
Vote for the lesser evil, or don’t, it won’t stop the boat from sinking. I would love to be wrong; I hope I am.
So you think that has a realistic chance of happening before November?
no, it should have been happening already.
the second best time to organize is now.
Yes, at this point I very likely wont vote for Biden regardless. 6 months of unabashedly aiding a genocide is a bridge too far, even if he stops now. It wont be "some random thing", itll be the only thing that actually matters. I will suck it up and vote for Trump, because even though I hate him, he has less in common with Hitler than Biden does, at this point.
Trump is objectively worse on Palestine, as impossible as that seems. Look at his proposed solution of Palestine in the Abraham Accords. I'll begrudgingly vote Biden in the National but I'll certainly vote against him in the Primary. I think now is absolutely the time to demand the US stop our funding and international defence of this genocide.
The state of this national election right now is basically, 'you can vote for the candidate supporting genocide, or the candidate that will continue to support genocide and do domestic fascism' what a joke of an election, it's never been more clear imo that the US is far from a genuine democracy
Oof, fuck around and find out. Trump is Hitler and is following his game plan 100%.
If Trump wins, you won't have to worry about voting again, Trump has literally said that he intends to go full on dictatorship...
If Trump wins, he’ll do the same thing Israel is currently doing to eliminate Hamas - which is to go through the Palestinian people.
You mean... the same thing that is happening right now under a Dem regime?
Say it isn't so!
He'll also take your right to vote away forever... So I mean it won't matter anymore...
He’ll also take your right to vote away forever…
Will he now? So why didn't Great Orange Hope do that the first time around? Or are you too caught up in liberal histrionics to think critically about any of this?
What the fuck do you think the insurrection and trying to fake the electoral votes was about?
He didn't try hard enough, he won't make that mistake again if reelected. This time he'll take power outright. Putin style.
If anything the "liberals" are way underestimating the danger here. Many have some delusion that this is just "normal" old school politics. This is very different.
What the fuck do you think the insurrection
LOL! Are you still calling that an insurrection? Maybe you should leave the US for awhile - come here to the 3rd world. We'll show you what insurrections and coups really look like. Go ask the CIA boys over in Langley - they'll tell you. They might also tell you that Trump isn't doing anything "insurrection-ey" in the US without their help. Good luck getting them to be honest about it, though - they prefer you getting your misinformation from hysterical lib media.
He didn’t try hard enough, he won’t make that mistake again
And where will this competence - which so thoroughly evaded Trump the first time around - come from all of a sudden, pray tell? Trump is so damn incompetent he cannot even stop himself from pissing off the military which - if you were to think critically for a second - is basic stuff for wannabe dictators.
Trump is not a fascist - he cosplays as one for the baying little alt-right mob that he spurned the moment he waddled into the Waffle House to do what all US presidents do... serve the interests of the capitalist class in the US. And he will do the exact same thing the second time around.
God forbid somebody care about something on the internet! Dont they know its uncool to give a shit about anything?
I voted Uncommitted, if not voting for a genocider is really gonna get Trump elected maybe Biden should start listening to someone other than the demonic Beau Biden lookalikes running around the oval office.
I'm glad you voted your heart in the primary. But I also really hope you are smart enough to vote him in the general.
I hope he is smart enough to vote against a genocider. Some of us hold our values more formly than others, I suppose. I promised my mom Id never vote for a genocider.
Vote your values! It'll be the last time you'll get to if Trump gets elected. But I mean you'll have shown Biden something! Right?
Have you heard the below by any chance?
FUCK around and find out...
Cutting off your nose to spite your face...
Out of the frying pan and into the fire...
Why didn't he do it the first time then? And yes, I understand Fuck around and Find out. This is the Dems finding out.
she/her tyyy
Ah, sorry.
That really depends on if the Democrats are actually ride or die on this whole genocide thing.
Democrats are more likely to waver on the Palestinian genocide then the Republicans. But even assuming that they have the exact same positions, Republicans still have measurably worse positions on pretty much everything else.
I enjoy enough privilege to not be troubled by Republican policies, but many of my comrades do not enjoy that same privilege. I vote on their behalf too.
Republicans are worse on everything else, but at least when they're running things into the ground democrats are actually motivated to take action- as opposed to when its their guy doing it and they all act like their shit doesn't stink.
Biden eliminated all the supports + eviction protections from covid. If Trump was trying to "end COVID" with 9/11s of deaths happening every month do you really think the Democrats would just be going along with it?
You aren't explicitly saying a Trump presidency would be better for America, but do you understand that most people will take your comment to mean that?
Edit: ... And that's what she meant.
I actually use she/her pronouns ty
Lucky you won't have to worry about pronouns if Trump wins!
With 'allies' like these who needs enemies
I don’t say this to in any way condone the genocide. I’m fully against the genocide. But, this is a complex issue with a lot of factors on both sides that can drive normally reasonable people to do bad things.
What an enormous piece of shit, between that and your intentional misgendering in the other comment, I was not surprised that you're "against" genocide except when team blue does it.
Why else would you be jumping into my replies to misgender me and threaten me with what the reactionaries will do after Biden loses the election?
You are all so into your team sports that you can't process dissent and have to attack the messenger instead.
Aww I thought you didn't care, you poor little guy.
I find it amusing, you're intentionally advocating your own destruction.
But someone uses the wrong pronoun and you lose your shit. Keep at it!
I'll be the one holding up a surprised Pikachu face sign to you while you're thrown in a camp.
I generally am a live and let live person. I have friends and family of just about every combination out there. Who I respect and care about.
But the gross stupidity your displaying irks me. And not only that, it is dangerous to those I do care about. You want to fuck and find out. Do it with something that won't hurt others. You have no idea what evil is but you'll find out if you get Trump elected and he takes what little leash is left off the religious nut jobs that want to destroy you and everyone like you.
Most people are so into the team sports that anything critical of team blue is treated like a religious heresy.
There's a large subcategory of leftists who refuse to say whether Trump or Biden would be a better president. If you feel you aren't treated with sufficient charitability, you should put the blame squarely on their shoulders.
I don't really care about people I don't like treating me charitably, I want democrats to stop being absolute dogshit and I don't see how rewarding them with a vote does that.
Hey guy, I'm not worried. If you had some common sense, you might be worried though. "Treating me charitably"? Have you read the news at all? The shit going on right now is precursor to throwing people in concentration camps type shit.
So guy, unless you're a white conservative male, you might not be too keen on Trump winning.
Democrats are not supporting genocide no matter how you try and sell it to people. It needs to stop.
I hope that Biden stops trying to send funds and weapons to Israel then, and pulls those ships from the red sea.
Your post history is 100% "Democrats bad," so if anything, this post is an exception and not the rule. I can ignore the bit about Russia and their point stands even stronger.
I simply reply to the sentiment I see on this platform. If it was pro-Trump I would critique that.
Then either you aren't looking, or you just don't want to see.
Can you give me an example of a pro-Trump post that was recently in top? i see a couple right now against Trump.
I reject this goalpost shift.
I was responding to "the sentiment I see on this platform" because I don't have to look far to see people engaging in bothsides-ist rhetoric. That shit always favors the worse side.
For example: Here's somebody who believes America should have remained neutral in World War II.
lol in what world is that 'top', it's a heavily downvoted thread inside a centrist cj post
@olivebranch@lemmy.ca also shifted the goalposts from "sentiment" to "top posts." I was clarifying what I said before the goalpost shift.
I'm not a native speaker so bear with me, but from what I saw, they said "I simply reply to the sentiment I see on this platform, if it was pro-trump I would critique that"
ie: If I'm online and replying to things it's going to be the most common sentiment- which from my own personal experience it's not pro-Trump.
From my reading you were the one trying to twist that meaning from "majority sentiment is pro-democrats" to "there are no reactionaries on this platform"
its not a goalpost shift, you claimed they werent seeing pro trump posts, and they asked for evidence. It is a fact that the platform as a whole is extremely anti trump.
Not everyone. But it certainly seems like you are.