A summary of what happened between Blahaj.Zone and Hexbear.Net
Lots of people who are seeing top-level postings about Hexbear. Net are probably confused about what has been going on and I want to give an SRD-style overview of the whole thing. Note: As a user of Blahaj.Zone, I am not a neutral party in this and I do not pretend to be. This is how the whole thing has played out from my perspective.
Hexbear. Net is another Lemmy instance that had relatively recently started to federate with Blahaj.Zone and other Lemmy instances. It had previously been known as Chapo.Chat because it began as an instance for fans of the podcast ChapoTrapHouse.
Recently users from Blahaj.Zone (as well as other Lemmy instances) began to complain about the behavior of Hexbear users. The complaints were about rude, obnoxious behavior: Hexbear users calling people "libs" as an insult, denying crimes of Russia and China, denying the crimes of Stalin,...
Such behavior was not necessarily forbidden on Blahaj.Zone, but certain sub-Lemmys had their own rules on these subjects.
One of the threads about Hexbear: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795?scrollToComments=true
After an ever increasing number of users calling for defederating from Hexbear. Net, Ada (admin of Blahaj.Zone) opened a thread to talk about it. The thread was quickly inundated with Hexbear users, complaining in turn about being called out in this way. Though many of their comments exploited a current bug in the Lemmy code which resulted in emoji's being embedded as pictures which results in lots of image spam.
Ada responded by removing top-level comments in the thread which were not from Blahaj.Zone's users, because she wanted to get the feedback of her own community, not from anybody else.
This happened originally in this thread: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1959801
The discussion on Blahaj.Zone was a back and forth: Lots of people calling for "leftist and queer unity", others complaining about getting harassed by Hexbear users.
Meanwhile, elsewhere: Lemm.ee, a Lemmy instance operated and managed by someone from Estonia, also opened a discussion about Hexbear - at least partially motivated by the admin's increasing unease of the rampant denial of soviet atrocities and the occupation of Estonia by the Soviet Union. Russian propaganda in regards to the war in Ukraine was also an issue. Lemm.ee was largely encountering similar problems as Blahaj.Zone, though the Lemme.ee admin admitted that the Hexbear admin was generally responsive to reports and complaints.
The thread on Lemm.ee: https://lemm.ee/post/4543536
Back on Blahaj.Zone, a tangent opens up: A Hexbear user complains about c/196, the new home of Reddit's r/196 which had relocated to Blahaj.Zone and has been its biggest community ever since. The Hexbear user complains about their comments being removed, comments that called out the use of the r-word and other call-outs. The user posts pictures of the removal notices.
Blahaj.Zone's admin Ada steps in and intervenes on behalf of the Hexbear user, having a stern word with the c/196 mod responsible for the removal of the comments. https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2136643
A Hexbear admin also gets involved and sends a message to the mods of c/196 demanding the removal of the sub-Lemmy's banner, because it contains "fuck tankies²", arguing that tankies is a slur. The c/196 mod refuses and publishes their message.
[²"Tankies" is a pejorative term for authoritarian socialists in the vein of Stalin and/or Mao.] https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1961004
While the discussion if Blahaj.Zone should defederate from Hexbear is still ongoing, the Hexbear admins defederated from Blahaj.Zone without warning from their side, because of...
unaddressed ableist removals from the /c/196 moderators, defense of chasers, no-quarter rules regarding our users, leakage of good-faith DMs from our admin team, and a general lack of initiative to punish these behavior
In her a response to these events, Ada points out in a comment that she never had the chance to adress the ableist incident (she was in bed) while other issues had happened in the past and had been adressed at the time. Thus she could not react before Hexbear defederated. https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/2135406
TL;dr: Blahaj.Zone's users complain about ill behavior of users on Hexbear. Net. A discussion about defederation begins on Blahaj.Zone. Meanwhile Hexbear users complain about Blahaj.Zone in turn and Hexbear. Net defederates instantly and without warning.
Just to provide some clarification, many folk don't know that "hon" is used as a slur by transphobes. The reason it is used as a slur is because "hun" used to be a common term in the trans community, for newly out trans women to provide affirmation for each other, and it is still used naively by some folk who don't know the history
The user you're debating appears to be the latter. I can find no indication of them being a TERF, a sock puppet or a transphobe. They appear to be a trans person, using the term without realising its history. For that reason, I sent them a message and asked them to drop the term, which they've done.
So, there's a specific history to it that is a combination of a few factors.
Before trans awareness and visibility is what it is now, trans folk mostly hung out online in a few specific websites, and one of the biggest was Susans. On Susans, the user base was largely folk that has transitioned in their middle age and were early in transition, or were unable to transition at all. They used Susans to connect with other folk in a way they couldn't in person, and called each other hun/hon as a form of affirmation.
So, the bigots started using "hon" to imply that the person in question was a Susans user, with the unspoken part being that they "look like a man in a dress"
Hardly any of that is relevant anymore, but the slur is still fresh in many folks minds. And other folk use is the way it used to be used, as a form of affirmation, without know the history.
It's also been picked up by 4chan users to make words like "hondose" which for some reason I've seen some transfems use unironically. So it's still used as a slur there
This is a good synopsis, although I've ever come across TERFs using it before. Mostly seen it on 420chan back in the day used by younger trans women to mock older trans women
Okay, now I’m genuinely confused.. is “hon” some sort of dogwhistle or something that I’m not aware of? If that is the case, then I genuinely apologize. Was I being condescending? Yes, but nothing more.
Also I’m not a fucking TERF lmao I’m literally trans. Stop with the baseless accusations
You've been nothing but accusatory from the start of your interactions with me. You're calling me an extremist and delusional. You're baselessly claiming im a tankie and when I ask you to explain why you think that you avoid the question. You continue to ignore my points for more and more ad hominems. You keep playing the victim and attempt to take the high road. You dropped a fucking "Hitchens' razor" on me while simultaneously ignoring the part where I asked why you even think I'm a tankie, (I'm not) without a particle of irony.
I'm only going to say this once.
Fuck off.
I don't give a shit if you're genuinely trans or not because you're more insufferable than any actual tankie I've interacted with. Fuck this bullshit about you ever having 'argued in good faith' because you haven't argued my points at all.
Now do you understand why I believe whole heartedly that you're a troll inserting yourself in a discussion you don't belong?
The extremist/delusional thing wasn’t directly referring to you. I only started referring to you as deluded when you kept throwing accusations out.
I thought you were a tankie because you’re talking like a tankie, and defending a tankie community. You’re sitting there accusing me of being a TERF for.. Not liking you or what you’re saying? Saying things you don’t like? Having a new account?? I really don’t see any reason behind it, but I guess I should expect no less.
I also explained multiple times that I had stopped taking any of this seriously. You either willfully ignored that, or somehow determined that had changed for whatever reason.. Either way, that’s not my problem.
You’re telling me to fuck off and calling me a troll when I literally tried to disengage, but you decided to keep it going. Once again, that is on you, not me.
Also, all of my initial responses to you were genuine arguments. I stopped attempting any real debate because you were being insufferable and started throwing baseless accusations at me.
As I said before, you can believe whatever you want about me. I literally could not care less. But go touch some fucking grass and stop with the ban campaigns.
I thought you were a tankie because you’re talking like a tankie, and defending a tankie community.
Is a tankie just someone you don't agree with? You still haven't actually explained what makes me a tankie.
You’re sitting there accusing me of being a TERF for.. Not liking you or what you’re saying? Saying things you don’t like? Having a new account??
I'm accusing you of being a terf for using terf language. 'hon' is a dogwhistle.
I really don’t see any reason behind it, but I guess I should expect no less.
Once again attempting to take the moral high ground.
I also explained multiple times that I had stopped taking any of this seriously. You either willfully ignored that, or somehow determined that had changed for whatever reason.. Either way, that’s not my problem.
You’re telling me to fuck off and calling me a troll when I literally tried to disengage, but you decided to keep it going. Once again, that is on you, not me.
There's literally nothing stopping you from not replying.
Also, all of my initial responses to you were genuine arguments. I stopped attempting any real debate because you were being insufferable and started throwing baseless accusations at me.
I've yet to see any real attempt at 'debate'. The 'genuine arguments' look like deliberately misconstrued understandings of the things I said followed by moving of goalposts.
As I said before, you can believe whatever you want about me. I literally could not care less. But go touch some fucking grass and stop with the ban campaigns.