This babyfaced brit fuckwit is in absolute overdrive trying to steer the framing and questions to the 'correct' viewpoint and he just gets battered aside by a wizened ancient spouting facts. To the point of having to disclaim beforehand that the interview might not meet acceptable thought-cleanliness standards for the civilized mind.
Oh god I actually watched half of this. He says the left (apparently Jeffrey Sachs is left now?) just bought Putin's argument about security concerns, but (big reveal about halfway in, choir music swells), Putin is actually driven by mystical thinking and megalomania.
So Putin is lying when he talks about realpolitik or says anything that makes any sense. But when he speaks of history or the motherland or whatever, then he's telling the truth. He's definitely not just doing a bit of story telling to hit on those emotions. No Sir! That's a window right into his soul. And apparently his personal feelings are enough to move whole armies.
Maybe, just maybe, there are actual material reasons for why stuff happens, and it's not just ideas in the minds of individual "great men".