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What are the stakes? A genocidal maniac vs a genocidal maniac?
Found the white leftist.
Moghafil, you don't get to use my people's plight as an excuse to get out of your bare minimum duty to protect lives with your choices.
This is so much more than just a race issue, its also an LGBTQ and neurodivergence issue, while I may not like Biden, Trump and his crew have both said things and acted in ways that attack basically anyone that isn't in the in group they deem as worthwhile, republicans have also been pushing forward increasingly hostile anti-trans, anti-abortion laws, and Trump as president would bolster their ability to harm vulnerable groups even more
I really hate Biden's unquestioning support of Israel but holy fuck under Trump some of my friends might actually die, and others will lose their rights to be themselves!
Lets also not forget Trump and his fans pushing for things that could very well spell the actual end of democracy in the US.
Edit: I didn't mean to subtract from the race issue, that's also a big part of it, I simply mean to say that Trump is a massive broad spectrum threat to multiple vulnerable groups across the US
Also edited because apparently this isn't readily apparent to some people: under Trump, the genocide of Palestinians will continue, I am very very much against this, the "holy fuck" line is not expressing that I think the genocide of Palestinians is secondary, but is expressing exasperation at the people who constantly insist that the only way to protest is to not vote not seeing the problem with Trump getting into power
While I'm at it, pretty much whatever the results of the election are, shit will probably hit the fan, I urge everyone to learn first aid, a good start is www.stopthebleed.org
I really hate Biden’s unquestioning support of Israel but holy fuck under Trump some of my friends might actually die
"This is different! This time it might effect meeee"
Oh fuck off with that, I've attended physical protests calling to end the genocide of Palestinians, can you say the same? Or did you simply sit behind your keyboard and go "not voting is the only real way to protest guys totally"
No, you fuck off with that you selfish lib. I hope Trump treats you with the same lack of consideration you give to foreigners who aren't "your friends".
Clearly one person can't care about strangers who are being genocided and also their friends who are at risk of being killed at the same time, after all, the human brain can only handle concern for 1 group of people at the same time!
Trump has repeatedly said he is on the side of Israel, if you think him getting into power will somehow stop the genocide, you need to get your head examined, and you seem to be the one with the liberal attitude of "id rather minorities die so I can get a symbolic victory!" Quit your moralizing and log off, lib.
One person can, but you've made it clear you don't.
Uh huh, and where was that exactly? Point it out lib, go on, if it's the "holy fuck some of my friends might die" that wasnt me expressing disinterest or apathy in Palestinians, that was me sick of you lazy idiots who have, time and time again, never attended an actual protest or done anything of use to help marginalized groups telling me that the only way to truly be helpful and save people is to let the worse dictator get power, even if he explicitly states he intends to wipe out marginalized groups.
No, what you did was a parapraxis, you read what you wanted to read, and you wanted to read that people can't really care about 2 problems at the same time.
The response to an impending genocide isn't to go "ah well we'll solve the other genocide first" it's to work at preventing both genocides simultaneously, I understand if the concept of doing more than one thing at a time is confusing to you but you really should reevaluate your priorities and internal biases
if it’s the “holy fuck some of my friends might die” that wasnt me expressing disinterest or apathy in Palestinians
It literally was though.
Not that it matters, voting Biden isn't going to save you from fascism, you supported the neoliberal machine, have fun getting ground up by it.
Have you taken a reading compression class? The "but under Trump the existing issue will continue and also " is implied, it's really telling that you don't read "I don't like either dictator but I'd prefer the minimum amount of people die" and but somehow read "I will pick this genocide over the other"
You also haven't addressed any of my other comments pointing this out. Instead, you have been constantly and intentionally dense. Your argument is literally "nuh uh!!" And calling me a lib, instead you are constantly projecting a version of me up that is much more negative than the text I've written.
Now, I have been in a doom spiral before and this sounds like how I would act in one, constantly assuming the worst of any message. They can be rough and only get worse with isolation, I admit I have insulted you in the heat of the moment, however, if you are currently experiencing a doom spiral, message me to vent and I will not judge you, and I will do my best to calm you down, otherwise, please stop trying to convince me you know better than I do about my own thoughts, thanks
And by not voting for him, you're voting for the guy who gave Netenyahu the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.
I know damn well who Netenyahu would be voting for if he got the choice, and that's all you need to know too if you aren't just a bougeyvik fascist.
And by not voting for him, you’re voting for the guy who gave Netenyahu the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.
Not to mention the guy who ALSO will block the ICC from prosecuting Netanyahu.
And by not voting for him, you’re voting for the guy who
Not how voting works
I know damn well who Netenyahu would be voting for if he got the choice
probably the guy blocking the International Criminal Court from prosecuting him for documented war crimes
Out of curiosity, let's say someone wants to make the best possible decision for Palestinians. Meaning using their vote to produce the best possible outcome for Palestinians.
Who should they be voting for? How would it impact the situation? Why would that be the best? What is the risk assessment? In other words, how likely is successful, how good is success and how damaging is failure?
It will make no material difference who you vote for. You cannot say "trump will be worse" when people are being firebombed in Rafah right now and the guy in power is doing nothing to stop it, and in fact actively blocking attempts to make it stop. You've got student protests being smeared as antisemitic and being violently broken up by police and zionists. From where I'm standing, it really really seems that my 2020 "harm reduction" vote backfired hard and really just gave cover for all of this horrible shit to happen anyways.
So you believe that voting for trump would have caused a better result? Because otherwise how did it backfire? If it makes no material difference?
If you don't think voting trump would have been better, who should people have voted for? I don't want to repeat my question but now I am curious about your answers to both last and next election.
These people don't have answers to this question because they're not interested in answers. They just want to feel smug and superior to everyone. Literally nothing would be good enough for them
It is fine that you feel that way but I would like to know their thoughts. If they are right, they will be able to argue their position. If they are just e.g. smug, then they will avoid giving answers and at some point, reflection might kick in and they might actually try to argue with themselves and find the answers that we are all looking for. If they are just smug, that is. I don't know but maybe they have the answers