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Ah yes.
The group of men, which granted IS larger than it should be, that say stupid shit like this online or in person is not representative of men in GENERAL.
If I sat there and tried to bring out the worst characteristics my exes had for ALL women, I would be as much of an asshole as this comic creator is.
There will, unfortunately, ALWAYS be bad actors in the human race. Those that get their kicks from saying stupid shit like the man in this comic, because they have nothing better in life to do and probably hate their life so much that they do and say the stupid shit they do because they are broken people in one way or another.
Does that mean that all men are the same? No, of course not, and it’s kind of silly to even think that way to begin with.
Are all women as horrible, cheating and uncaring as my exes? No, of course not! I have a beautiful and caring woman in my life now who treats me well!
I think we sometimes let the minority outclass the majority, especially when trying to spin a narrative that basically ends up being: All men = bad All women = bad All white people = bad All black people = bad
The reality is, folks, that you need to keep the bigger picture in your mind at all times.
Did that group of people on an online forum act in bad faith? Yes? Then move on, and let their toxicity eat away at them until they no longer exist in this world. By giving them your time, and letting them upset you, you are doing exactly what they are wanting, which is to cause chaos and dissent for no real reason other than getting a rise out of someone or to fool someone else into thinking the same way.
My dude 100% confidentially came in here and went not all men.
Where the fuck does this comic make the assertion "all men"? What makes this comic creator an asshole (from this comic, I'm not aware of any of their other work)?
I think their point was that unless 100% of men are contributing to a problem, the problem clearly doesn't exist, no matter how many women experience it.
If this comic was reversed, it would be about all women, and a misogynistic attack. So this comic should be treated as unreal, otherworldly and misandrist. If this double standard cannot be seen, it proves my point.
I was under the impression that you were going to stay out of gender discussions altogether. Am I mistaken? Normally people with modlog rap sheets this long have gotten site bans. We’ve really gone out of our way, and I’m starting to feel we’re being taken advantage of. You already got your ’grad account banned and you got this one banned from hexbear. If you can’t stop it I will.
This kind of apathy towards men is horrible, and I try to coerce people so that someone considers listening to us wanting a balance. I am trying to understand why there is no inclusivity for men and their concerns among the left. These kinds of posts, and comments on a similar tangent are very common here, and the weird part is these stereotypes are not even applicable for leftist, liberal, centrist and most men out there. Even some conservatives are not like this. Only a specific portion of rightwingers behave like this. Mainstream social media already spews this kind of vitriol, yet it is also here, and plenty cis men are on Lemmy that see this regularly.
We as men are not the baddies. And I am not even going to phrase it as a question, because it is a fact. Neither is it our fault, nor is it our doing.
I have never seen a piece of content removed for misandry at all. NEVER. It is always about misogyny. Why is that? I have helped build this platform in 4 years and crushed a ton of fascists, but this keeps bugging me, as on one hand I try to bolster the privacy community by myself, but on the other hand I keep seeing this non-inclusive stuff.
I think you’re pissed off at bourgeois feminist theory and bourgeois race theory, which are deserving of criticism, especially since they’re used as class weapons against non-whites both within the imperial core and the periphery. But you don’t get to use these bourgeois theories as an excuse to dismiss the proletarian ones, or as an excuse for bigotry. For example, just because a liberal Critical Race Theory was created and promoted to subsume/recuperate the original socialist theory doesn’t mean we can ignore the original.
Unfortunately ProleWiki doesn’t have much in this area as yet.
- https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Proletarian_feminism
- https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combahee_River_Collective
- The Combahee River Collective, 1977:A Black Feminist Statement
Much more often than not, “not all men” is used as a cudgel, similarly to how “not all whites” is, and the same goes for “men are oppressed” / “whites are oppressed.” How bad they are in comparison I don’t care to argue; it’s enough to say that they’re also bad. They are not false statements in themselves (as proletarian theories show), but they’re usually either misapplied or applied in bad faith.
Outside of gender topics, I personally have very much appreciated your contributions to the site in my comparatively short time here so far. Thank you. We have desperately few Global South voices here, never mind leftist ones, so that is a treasure, and I want this to be a welcoming space for such voices, so we can be exposed to more & more of them.
But this must also be a welcoming space for women. Because we’re intentionally not belligerent toward intellectually honest, good-faith liberals, creeping bourgeoisified feminism & CRT will sometimes surface contradictions between these two goals, which in my mind shouldn’t otherwise contradict. I don’t mean to imply that I’m an expert in this area, but I don’t think you’re equipped to resolve those contradictions, and I’m not sure you’re trying to. Whether or not they come from manosphere/MGTOW brainworms, your takes sound like they are, and we can’t have that.
We as men are not the baddies. And I am not even going to phrase it as a question, because it is a fact. Neither is it our fault, nor is it our doing.
Then where is your ministry towards those who are perpetrators, who have created the conditions you complain about?
I have never seen a piece of content removed for misandry at all. NEVER. It is always about misogyny. Why is that?
Considering misandry tends to not leave men in SA'd and left in a chalk outline where misogyny very frequently does, I imagine that's the answer to your question. It's genuinely mindboggling to me that every time discussions or een metadiscussions of misogyny see you pull up on your #NotAllMen shit; right down to getting your lemmygrad account banned over it.
If we're to accept your #NotAllMen spiel, then where was the #NotEveryMan like you to stop the man that happened to me? Where was the #NotEveryMan like you to stop what happened to my mother? My aunt? My grandmother? My little cousins? The point is this shit will not stop until our ministry isn't aimed at women, but other men.
You'll get nowhere complaining at the people our socialization wounds.
Considering misandry tends to not leave men in SA'd
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REDACTED Mind you, the non-feminists and "conservatives" were the inclusive ones. How about that? Where were the feminists and social warriors to stop it?
Oh, but men must keep their mouth shut, because anything we utter is misogyny, and things are one sided, and #AllMenBad and #BelieveAllWomen.
Having this kind of position in society silently has allowed me to observe what the "empathetic" people really are and mean, when they selectively care about issues.
Then where is your ministry towards those who are perpetrators, who have created the conditions you complain about?
There is no ministry, and there will be no ministry, because we have not gotten past the point where men stopped being tribalists and women stopped being tribalists. All we know is apathy, individualism, revenge and "getting back at em". This is not born out of patriarchy, but is rather a primate instinct we as animals have. Well... there is a ministry, and there are laws, but all of them favour women over men. The internet and media trials will not be that ministry. Where this lawful ministry falters is the elites in hold of various positions from the court to ground zero, and let me tell you that it is not just men - women are the greatest enemies of women - an age old saying in India. They exist at ground zero, in homes, in society and in institutions. The elites do not solely consist of cis men.
Things like male SA is well rewarded in this society as opposed to female SA and eve teasing. Men are supposed to solve women's problems, but not vice versa. Military conscription and requirements, deaths at risky jobs... oh sorry I am so misogynistic, I will shut up.
I could go on and on, but I am pretty sure all this is just "misogyny" and I need to read certain theory and I need to surround myself with feminists who are thirsty to oppress men at all costs. It is unfortunate that I am not coming to a conclusion I once desired, one for cultural harmony without the need for men or anyone else to be subjugated. There is a sickening both sides vibe to this, as much as I hate it.
If questioning all this is inceldom and redpill and whatever, then the left seriously needs to introspect and critique itself on the subject of cultural warfare. There will be no success without the ones holding other half of the sky. To hell with all the cis men, I guess.
I could go on and on, but I am pretty sure all this is just “misogyny” and I need to read certain theory and I need to surround myself with feminists who are thirsty to oppress men at all costs.
Feminists are not "hungry to oppress men at all costs". You have no idea what feminism is, and its clear you're getting all your information about it from right-wing chuds. I recommend reading more books and actually engaging with feminist theory, rather than watching anti-feminist / manosphere troll channels. There are plenty of resources we can recommend, that you should read before going on these rants.
Tread carefully, because we will not hesitate to issue temp ban for misogyny. Follow Mao's advice here: No investigation, no right to speak.
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So am I; and I've even heard some of the same shit. Difference is, I have enough discernment to know that any "feminist" telling a male CSA survivor that they should never have spoken out, or that it "wasn't rape because you liked it' (that's the variant I've personally heard, multiple times) is probably a radfem or a trad wearing kayfabe; who shouldn't be looked to as an example of the broader movement.
Further, I refuse to let it poison my views of the movement as a whole because there is still a mass disparity between what WE have to go through and what THEY have to go through, and what THEY go through is infinitely worse. Discernment and empathy go a lot farther than "but what about MY feelings".
oh sorry I am so misogynistic, I will shut up
Honestly, at this point, I do think you're a misogynist on some level, because this isn't the first time this discussion's been had with you, and I'm not the first one to do it. Frankly, considering you've done nothing but intensify your debate perversion about this since getting banned from Lemmygrad over it, I find it deeply fucking ironic that you talk about 'critiquing oneself'. Pot, kettle, hello!
I don't think you can even parse how much it disgusts me that you'd quote Mao to justify the patriarchal policing of wounds to your own ego.
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there are laws, but all of them favour women over men.
Wildly false on its face, and you know it. You’re universalizing something that you know damn well has historically not been so and currently is not so. Where can this come from but unexamined misogyny?
Yeah, no, the comic isn't about all men. It's about the subset of men that take offense at any criticism of men and cry "not all men!" at it.
It's hilarious talking about your point being proven by a double standard not being seen, when you are proving the point of the comic in the process.
It’s the damn bear. If the damn bear hadn’t been posted a few days ago, everyone would have been like yeah that sounds about right
Ah yes
Tell us where the bear touched you.
Bluepillers should go try living with bears unironically and see if they can come back alive. I think it would prove their point if they succeed, how all men are monsters and demons and whatever epithets they can trend on social media.
What's it like to be this oblivious?
Whew, you made a great rebuttal to something that someone somewhere said probably, but not this comic.
Then move on, and let their toxicity eat away at them until they no longer exist in this world.
Do you want MAGA? This is how you get MAGA.