Millionaire Investment Banker Jonathan Kaye caught punching, and breaking an unarmed woman's nose during Brooklyn Pride Festival
Millionaire Investment Banker Jonathan Kaye caught punching, and breaking an unarmed woman's nose during Brooklyn Pride Festival
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I'm not a huge fan of brief videos with little context, but it doesn't look like much context is needed here.
Why would you want to give the benefit of doubt to someone that edits out the context?
How is context not important? We don't even have a full second of clip before he throws the punch.
Is context only not important when it's a man hitting a woman?
Would you say the same if it was a 2s clip of a woman punching a man?
What the fuck are you talking about, if she wasn't attacking him there is no defense.
Yeah. That would be called "context", of which we have zero of. And which you acknowledge matters.
Bro, the context is him punching her in the face when she isn't even moving towards him. He charged her, lol
I'm not defending the guy but he has liquid on his back and you can barely hear him say something which sounds like she threw shit at me.
If she threw shit at him and hit him with it... I kinda don't blame him.
If he said something nasty, racist homophobic or otherwise insulting to her and then she threw something at him, that makes it a bit more questionable on whether or not she deserved to get hit.
This needs much more context.
That being said, the dude very likely was being a prick and deserved to have shit thrown at him. Still though, if you assault someone first, don't expect to not get it back. Male vs female, male vs male, female vs female and all other things in-between, you start shit, there might be repercussions. Make sure you are prepared to handle that.
Ignoring some bigot (if he started it with words) could have potentially saved her getting her face fucked up.
I'm sure I'll get downvoted for that but my point is still 100% valid.
Edit: For the people that don't seem to understand how the world works. Try this experiment and get back to me. Go out into the city with a cup full of some random liquid (water, soda, whatever) find someone bigger than you and throw it all over them. Please report back and tell me how that worked out for you.
Your points are all conjecture and I don’t think they are valid. If he said some shit to instigate and she threw something at him that doesn’t give him carte Blanche to break her face.
No, my points are valid, not conjecture.
Your are making the point that she didn't deserve to get hit because she assaulted him.
No, it very obviously didn't hurt him but if someone threw a drink at me, I would respond with like treatment or worse. This is the real world, let's treat it like it is and not beat around the bush about it.
As I mentioned before though, it's possible (and likely) that he started the whole thing though. Without more context though we don't know. Either way, if she assaulted him, and he started it, they are both acting stupid, plain and simple.
It's possible you might be a violent type. I cannot imagine breaking someone's nose over something that 'obviously didn't hurt'.
It's possible, but fortunately I'm not.
It doesn't matter if it hurt or not. The point is, if someone were to assault me I would defend myself because I would immediately be put into a position where I need to consider what this person is about to do.
Inb4 "but it didn't hurt, it's just liquid", that isn't the point. Should it be ok for people to just throw liquid on you? Ahh so just go tell the cops so they can do nothing or if you're even less fortunate that you're already dry at that point and that person is long gone.
So what is the right solution here? I seriously doubt you would just walk away if someone walked up to you and threw a cup of whatever in your face.
Inb4 “but it didn’t hurt, it’s just liquid”, that isn’t the point. Should it be ok for people to just throw liquid on you?
Kinda, yeah. It's pretty funny when people throw milkshakes at politicians. Getting wet should not result in violence or police in my opinion, provided the liquid is harmless. It's also somethimg that happens by accident very easily and people overreacting to that and getting violent is a bigger problem than a ruined shirt. Not that i throw liquid on people, i just think people need to calm down, it's not an attempt on your life. I would certainly yell but throwing punches seems like an unnecessary escalation.
I do agree with you on the accidental thing 100%. Accidents happen, but that's different than what is being discussed.
Also, yeah it may seem funny if it happens to some high profile person, but put yourself on the receiving end of a direct intentional thing like that and you aren't going to be overly happy about it. You definitely understand that.
I grew up in some not so great places, got bullied a lot as a kid. I don't bully people as a result but I am a bit more defensive and would be quick to toss a jab and subsequent more if I felt the need was there.
All in all, I do feel that I want to be 100% clear that I'm not defending the guy, I don't know the situation, dude obviously had an advantage and in the brief bit that we see it does kinda seem like they were both instigating the situation.
Yeah I mean if my friend goes into a dark alley piss drunk and ends up getting beat up and robbed. I'm pissed and I'm feeling sorry for my friend and trying to help them. But also like c'mon what the fuck were you thinking.
You have no idea whats thrown at you in the moment, and you think its okay to just let someone do that to you? Agreed, punching someone in the face sounds like an overreaction, but I know my reaction to having shit thrown at me would be to immediately make sure it doesn't happen again.
Are we talking like literally human feces or like a glass of water?
So if someone throws a drink at you you immediately think you just got covered in diarrhea?
Let's talk about that.
Right after we talk about your need to make poor assumptions.
Ignoring bigots makes them bolder. And throwing a drink does not excuse a punch.
There's a difference between trying to fight where the problem stems from and handling it in an appropriate manner and getting pissed and throwing a drink at someone.
Throwing a drink at someone and expecting to not get hit is a poor way to look at how the real world works.