mod accountability rule
(also some of you guys in the comments here have been yoinked by mods too… just be nice? this post was not an invitation to test out your boundaries)
Is expressing atheist beliefs inherently anti-religious?
Seems like a bad cope to me
No, but “I may die in a stupid way (but not as stupid as these religious people who were trampled to death because of a dust storm)” is anti-religious.
Ah yes, please do complain about it in a community that has nothing to do with it!
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for those interested i am working on it :) trying to figure something out because i also recognize this is suboptimal
Ah yes, please do complain about it in a community that has nothing to do with it!
Damn, this post left out some really crucial context. I assumed the comment was left in response to someone martyring themselves, probably after having killed others in the name of their sky fairy. And in that context I'd have backed them 100% in what they were saying about it.
But yeah, your reply there said it better than anyone could. The comment was completely out of place and inappropriate.
Something that always gets me is when people lump in anti-religion with these others. Reglion in any country with freedom of religion is a choice, these other things are not. Someone doesn't choose to be a particular ethnic group. Someone doesn't choose to be disabled. People don't choose to be gay or have gender dysphoria People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can't call them out. If you can tell me I am burning in hell because I don't believe in your pie man in the sky then I can tell you that you are stupid for believing in a pie man in the sky and comment on absurd actions that are caused by those beliefs.
telling someone they are going to burn in hell for their religion/atheism would also be anti-religious and should be treated as such :)
Yeah nah.
You don't tell them they're stupid for faith. You point out that the bullshit they're spouting is explicitly stated by their pie man in the sky to be the real express road straight to hell. Much more fun.
Like for instance every conservative Christian politician who was piously sworn in on the Bible, despite Jesus himself saying not to swear by anything and calling the practice demonic. By their own stated belief system they are inaugurating their public office with a satanic ritual.
This isn't some obscure passage either, it's in the Sermon on the Mount, one of the most famous scenes in the entire Bible. Anyone who swears on the Bible in any capacity clearly doesn't take it seriously enough to know anything about what it says.
And the alternative given to swearing oaths is just like... idk, maybe be honest in general, guys?
based and yet human decency pilled
People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can't call them out.
And what value does your calling them out add to the discussion? Does it lead to an interesting nuanced conversation? Or is it immediately just people insulting each other while saying nothing other than "you're wrong"?
If it never leads to useful or interesting discussion and only leads to flame wars and arguments then it should be banned.
To the extent of "what does calling out anyone for anything lead to an interesting nuanced discussion" so should we ban calling people out?
Ultimately it's ambiguous and we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere, but it's reasonable for people to disagree where to draw that line.
Calling out irrational religious belief helps remove that pollution from the zeitgeist. It helps take damaging, incorrect beliefs out of important decision-making processes.
Except, it often isn't a choice? Especially for women? Most people are born with their religion chosen for them. There are also clearly deeply ingrained universal drives that push humans to religious beliefs as well. Otherwise we wouldn't see them across civilisations on every continent, from antiquity to the modern day.
No such rules in this one – your god is a lie sold to castrate and incapacitate you.
Does that mean you deserve to die in a crowd crush, something not at all unique to religious gatherings?
No such rules in this one
Though neither specifically mention religion, here are the rules for c/196 and lemmy.blahaj.zone that may cover this case:
lemmy.blahaj.zone's guidelines:
In addition, lemmy.blahaj.zone's TOS states that they must follow the laws of Australia, which may have legislation regarding this issue:
Edit: replaced references from lemmy.world's TOS, I got the instance wrong, my bad! - Also replaced non-image links with archive.org links for posterity (image links have been archived, but they have not been replaced for embedding reasons)
user was banned for this comment 🙃
Flying Squid told me I had psychosis because I disagreed with their views on religion. They're an asshole.
That's a stupid thing to say. I recently had an exchange with him and found out he's kind of off his rocker, so I wouldn't sweat it too much if I were you.
Sorry. Let me get this right. You had an exchange with a stranger on the internet that didn’t agree with you? They said some crazy stuff so you thought: fuck it. You didn’t argue and start throwing insults. You didn’t take offence from what a rando was saying. You just kinda ignored it and got on with your life? Wtf is wrong with you, my friend? I hope you’re happy in your adult, stress-free, mature life choices.
You should see this comment thread then, gives me the ick
You all may have other issues with this person, but saying you're going to show embarrassing baby pictures to boyfriends/girlfriends has been standard parenting behavior for as long as there have been photos. Nothing about that makes flying squid a pedo. Stop trying to make fetch happen.
Asserting that god exists/doesn't exist isn't anti-atheist/anti-religious, hate against (a)theists is.
But it is when you call others stupid for having the belief in a god.
I'm not saying he isn't a dick in this thread, but a theist may just as easily concern troll and say, "I just want nonbelievers not to go to hell" and that feels equivalent to me.
No one is being swayed by either of these arguments either way.
The user in question is borderline block material anyway based on the rest of their engagement, and they get uuuuuultra defensive when called out.
Idk, willful ignorance is kinda stupid
If the mod team on this instance is going to be that prescriptive around how religion is mentioned, then they're better off just blanket-banning any mention of it altogether, like on Whirlpool.
If you're a
<insert faith>
, and in the natural course of discussion people start criticizing ideas that inform<insert faith>
's beliefs and ethics, that's not a personal attack. It's not 'bigotry' on the basis that you disagree. It's not 'trolling' purely because it made you upset.I'm going to separately post the famous Charlie Hebdo cover in this thread, the one published after Muslim extremists murdered their people over cartoons. If this instance is so straitjacketed by Australia's ridiculous lawmaking in this area that it cannot tolerate such a post, then it's not a forum for adults.
how the fuck is this an appropriate comment to make in response to someone getting yanked over explicitly saying a specific religion was "made up".
This is not a situation dealing with a critique of "Ideas that inform" this was straight up the statement "Your faith is made up bullshit and people died stupidly because of this made up bullshit"
oops i misunderstood which instance you were criticizing in my other comment my apologies
your comment is a little confusing and i have no opinion on it, take care :)
Kind of off topic, but man it bothers me to see what r/atheism has done to religious discussions. Christianity isn't religion, it is a singular religion amongst a sea of far less stupid and destructive religions. It's always so obvious when someone is just talking about their Christian trauma instead of, say, sikhism or something.
every religion has a potential to become what christianity and islam is now. If you tell people to willfully ignore facts and prefer in their place something they wish to be true, and at the same time tell them what to wish for, you have a cult of very gullible people. Religion is not a framework of ethics as religious people like to say, but instead it’s a framework of stupidity.
It's even worse than that, because Christianity isn't even a singular religion, it's a set of related religions, some of which are incredibly problematic and others the worst they have going for them is they "are technically a religion"
Want to see a lack of accountability? Check out necromancer / wintermute_oregon over at !conservative@lemm.ee.
Running an echo chamber over there.
Echo chamber in like a theoretical sense? It looks dead silent, even dead, to me. I should mention I think its a good thing. Maybe my instance defederated at some point and I'm "missing out" on all the fun hate speech? /s
No, that dumbass and handful of other morons post occasionally. They are usually mocked pretty heavily if anybody even bothers to acknowledge them.
Locking this post. It's 2 days old and we're still getting new reports. Be nice.
Daily reminder that religion is a monstrous evil.
Edited: nvm got more context