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Internet Archive's digital library has been found in breach of copyright. The decision has some important implications

theconversation.com Internet Archive's digital library has been found in breach of copyright. The decision has some important implications

The legal ruling against the Internet Archive has come down in favour of the rights of authors.

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1y ago

Internet Archive's digital library has been found in breach of copyright. The decision has some important implications

theconversation.com /internet-archives-digital-library-has-been-found-in-breach-of-copyright-the-decision-has-some-important-implications-212091

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I hope all the writers who support this lawsuit understand that they are contributing to a long standing effort to outlaw libraries in general. Nobody makes direct money off of sharing things. Get ready for DRM involved in every single thing that you do.
- I still can't believe IA took this risk, however. I agree it should've been fine, but they and we know it isn't. They basically begged for this to happen and I don't understand why when they clearly don't have their ducks in a row to pick this fight (unlike TPB which plays the game well).
  
  I don't understand why they kept the "emergency library" open after COVID restrictions were lifted. I think they might have had a better shot in court if they had gone back to the normal digital library protocol.
- People at the internet archive literally gave away all the books they had in the library for free to as many people who wanted them, basically pretending they had a right to copy the books as many times as they desired as long as it was under the guise of being a library.
  Not only did they deserve to lose this case, they displayed such arrogant weaponized stupidity in making that decision that I'm surprised they weren't trying to screw themselves over.
  The internet archive is awesome, their decision in 2020 was fucking stupid
  
  I agree it was stupid. I just know that media companies are foaming at the mouth to use this decision to destroy online lending all together. And many writers are being tricked into thinking this will somehow help them. It won't. This will help Amazon. People renting your book from the internet archive is not why you're failing to make money.
- Listen, I love libraries as much as the next person. We have very clear laws that protect libraries.
  Is copyright a little fucked and a little too slanted towards those rights holders? Yes.
  Did anyone really think it was OK to start adding books and movies in? And provide those for free to everyone simultaneously? Libraries don’t do that.
  
  Libraries can do that. Okay, technically, it's illegal, but under the doctrine of sovereign immunity, since US libraries are run by political subdivisions of US states, they can't be sued with the state's permission which means that a state government can literally not allow the library to be sued for copyright infringement and then they'd get away with it.
  The trade-off is that this probably permanently burns all bridges between the library and publishers, who would likely not want to deal with the library any more.
  Edit: The controlling US Supreme Court precedent is Allen v. Cooper. The State of North Carolina published a bunch of shipwreck photos. The copyright owner of those photos sued claiming copyright infringement. The Supreme Court ruled in favour of the state saying Congress can't abrogate a state's Amendment XI sovereign immunity using copyright law as a pretext, thus the photography firm needs the State's permission to sue it in federal court.
  
  All the libraries I've ever been to in multiple states have books, magazines, movies and music.
  You should probably go in one if you love them so much. Then you'd know what you're talking about.
- And I hope people who sides with IA in this eill accept to stop collecting their wages and start working for free.
  Because this is what you’re proposing.
  
  Which artist involved in this suit is working for free?
  How old are the copyrights being upheld?
  I'd need to know those two pieces of information before coming to a conclusion. No one should work for free, I can agree with that, but is that is what is occurring?

Copyright and patent laws need to die.
- 5 years protection should be the limit. If you can't make back costs and get a tidy sum in 5 years, you fucked up. Especially as most sales are within the first few months
  
  Nah. I think if you can't defend your own secrets, you shouldn't have taxpayer resources to do it for you.

I remember my aunt (lawyer) coming up with some insane conspiracy-level solution to this problem:
The Supreme Court has ruled in Allen v. Cooper that Congressional attempts to make US state governments liable for copyright infringement are unconstitutional. In other words, US states can't be sued for copyright infringement under US federal law without their permission. Under standard federal jurisprudence, all subdivisions and departments of a state are considered to be the state they are a part of for the purposes of sovereign immunity. This also applies to organisations that receive most of their funding from and are wholly dependent on state government agencies as well.
The solution would be to have a friend state government either:
donate a copious amount of money to the Internet Archive to make it "financially dependent" on that state government, or
in cooperation with the Internet Archive, pass a law that makes the Internet Archive an independent state agency of that government (probably safer in terms of keeping the IA independent)
This would make the IA fully immune from copyright lawsuits because they would benefit from their patron state's sovereign immunity. But it comes at the cost that the patron state has a lot of power over the IA. A considerable trade-off.
- Your aunt should write spy novels with tbe level of conspiracy present in this. But its not QAnon conspiracy, its James Bond type conspiracy.
  
  QAnon would have made for an excellent action movie plotline if only people didn't subscribe to it in real life. Swap in some fake politicians and it's almost Hollywood-ready.

I love capitalism

Fuck copyright

Can someone please scrape the Internet Archive before it gets shut down?
There's no backup. Imagine all that we'll lose.
- It’s not the entire Internet Archive that has been found infringing. The judgment applies only to the Internet Archive’s lending of digital books without limiting the number of copies.
  
  Sure. This time.

damn
Among other issues that's going to make it harder for them to do other stuff.

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