Do or do not, there is no try

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"Shot an unpopular politician"
Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
(Yes ik Trump)
- "Entire nation hates him"
  
  It’s kinda true in the sense that:
  One side hates him because he tried to kill their god.
  Another side hates him because he missed.
  And another side hates him for attempting it in the first place because all it does is make an already very unstable political situation even worse no matter the outcome.
  
  I'm guessing it's closer to 190 nations. (Trump, not the assassin)
  
  then who votes for him ffs?
- I mean, define "popular politician" / " unpopular politician." Does the fact that the media constantly shoves all these yahoos in our faces make these political figures popular? Unpopular? It's all corrupt and I hate every mention of ANY politician's names, while some people choose politicians to cheer for like it's a fekkin sports team.

did I really learn about an assassination attempt thru lemmy
- Isn’t that the point of Lemmy? So you don’t have to rawdog news?
  
  yeah i suppose that’s better
  
  Oh, you want your news filtered, but you will happily rawdog Becky who may or may not have Clamidia
  
  For sure, but I don't know about that phrasing...
- Same, felt weird.
  Beyond that, I learned about it via a particularly cold meme.
  
  I was glad to see that meme to remember the anecdote. Valuable info in these times.
- For me it was 4chan's technology board /g/ of all places
- Happened last night yeah. Ive been stunned there isn't more in the news yet already, but the day is young.
  I think TDogs ear got hit?
- I learned through KnowYourMeme.

There was a time when America could reliably produce assassins who could kill both presidential candidates and even sitting presidents. What the he'll happened? Deindustralization? Too much porn and video games?
- Radicalization of ideologies is my bet. Radicals on both sides scream that the other side is evil which creates something broken in the easily influenced. Hell there's even some radicals that believe that Trump needed to be killed to stop him. And thanks to this person, Trumps side is only bolstered.
  I'm sure the next thing we will see is finger pointing. However whoever is going to read this and wants to hear some wisdom from a fellow random internet stranger; let this guy stand alone. Do not blame the other side or accuse them of wild theories or accusations. If you do go radical, the situation is only going to get worse
  
  Wasn't the failed assassin a registered Republican?
  
  Why can't we meet in the middle and find a compromise?
  
  Inb4 Republican conspiracy that Biden told his secret service to intentionally lapse security in order to assassinate Trump. If you thought Benghazi conspiracies were bad…
  
  This needs a catchy name, like 'forging the coin'
  
  The people mad at Nazis are really shrill, just like the Nazis. So they must be equally wrong. Right?
  And yes we really are dealing with fascists at the moment, please be serious instead of grasping for some 'juuust becaaause' excuse as to why someone would make the comparison. They are comparable. That's why. The Idiot has openly opined about being a dictator (just a little! just the tip!) after instigating a failed coup that saw every elected member of the federal government besides him cowering in a basement because an angry mob stormed the goddamn capitol. That's not counting the other coup d'etat efforts, like extorting allies for foreign interference, secretly calling governors to just make up numbers, or indeed sending fake electors to make up the numbers himself. The GOP's publicly-stated policy goals include criminalizing queer identities, banning birth control, and seeking revenge on anyone who's not personally loyal to dear leader. I don't give a shit if you might think they wouldn't succeed in these efforts. The fact they want that, and are openly talking about trying to do it, is what makes them fascists.

I think you'll see plenty of attempts after this, some inspired by it and others in retaliation. Fun times for the US
- Secret service will step up their security after this, so another attempt as close as this is unlikely
  
  Failed attempts are enough to escalate things. And with enough attempts, some especially against smaller targets might succeed. It's gonna get intetesting
  
  Umm... Shouldn't the first attempt have been unlikely? This literally proves Secret Service isn't as competent as you believe.

You are all talking about Abe's assassination, but forgetting this happened
- That act weakened the Japanese Socialist party (center-left), emboldened the far-right, caused copycats and ensured the current party stayed in power for most of the twentieth century.
  That's not to say that Asanuma was a scummy maoist and had forced his party to support the terrible war in Asia.

I've honestly been really surprised that this was the only 'real' assassination attempt in recent memory. I was surprised that no one went after Obama, nor Trump after him and Biden after him. The rage was so high, yet it's only now that anyone from either side makes a real attempt.
- I'm just making a guess here, but there could have been more attempts that were nippedl in the bud early enough that we have never heard of them, because the would-be assaains were sloppier and got caught.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#Assassination_attempts_and_plots
  You're correct. You'll notice every president in recent history has multiple assassination attempts listed. The bulk of them don't go very far.
  
  Oh I'm sure that's the case. There are probably many attempts. Having said that, it's shocking this is the only one in recent times that has gotten this close.
  I guess Bush had a shoe thrown at him though.
- Hierarchy tends to prevent violence by providing an authority to appeal to. So long as there is some process people can take, in hope of redress, they will choose that instead of just stabbing a motherfucker. This applies to interpersonal conflict with your neighbor, or mass conflict between religious groups, indeed everybody seeing a fat old baby commit high crimes on national television. Even if you feel the odds are abysmal, that can be enough to stop you from grabbing your pitchfork with intent to use it.
  Belief in those systems is a finite resource.

the ö's make this even more amusing, as i can't be sure it was an accidental dick-up instead of a nordic memelord giggling themself to sleep.
- The long o (oe or ö) is a sound present in north European languages, and also in many Asian languages, including Japanese.
  
  am Finnish, so i responded as such. for Japanese, however, you'd use ō instead. that is not an ö. ou is also acceptable.
  
  Long o in Finnish is oo, ö is pronounced different and could also be pronounced as long öö.

Who's that chad
- The guy that killed Shinzo Abe.

I'm not so sure Shinzo Abe was popular.

murdering leaders dissuades good people from showing up to lead

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