Defediverse

Most defederation isn’t because people are disagreeing though. It’s because the people they’re defederating from are assholes.

Yes, let's enter discussion with the literal Nazis so we can try to understand them. There might be nuance to their calls for mass genocide.

Fuck off OP.

Fuck that. Defederate all Nazis.

This post assumes that a meaningful amount of defed instances are caused by simple lack of agreement. Often, it's an orthogonal matter - it boils down to instance A actually understanding something about the userbase of instance B and saying "I'm not dealing with this shit, it'll make the instance worse for its own users". For example: the typical user of B might be disingenuous, or preach immoral prescriptions, behave like a chimp, or be a bloody stupid piece of trash that should've stayed in Reddit to avoid smearing its stupidity everywhere here.

Are instance admins too eager to pull the trigger for defed? Perhaps, in some cases; specially because it handles groups of users instead of individuals. But those cases are better addressed through actual examples, not through a meme talking on generic grounds.

No offense but this is kind of what happens in real life too. Nazi shows up to local bar. Barman or owner doesn't throw them out. Eventually they invite their friends. It winds up being known a Nazi bar. People who don't want to associate with Nazis no longer visit the bar. This is why intolerance of the intolerant is a thing.

Defederating brigaders and trolls is necessary to maintain a healthy community. If your instance is defederated from all major instances, perhaps you should look examine what sort of company you keep.

Lmao "try and understand them" fuck off, OP. You're not fooling anyone. There's no point trying to understand assholes.

'people posting stuff you consider harmful' is not a simple, black and white issue. Anyone who pretends that allowing all opinions has no consequences is full of shit, anyone who claims that tightly policing opinions has no consequences is full of shit.

Like almost everything in life, you will have to navigate a tenuous balance between these two things and you will never know if you got the balance right. You are just a sack of meat doomed to die.

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What a simple, stupid argument.

Fuck off nazis.

Follow your leader and kill yourselves.

Yeah, let's try to understand child abuse images /s

Imagine thinking racism and child porn have arguments worth listening to. Just defed and forget they exist.

I'm so glad that the comments have (mostly) finally unified in agreement that defederating Nazis and other hideous people is the right move.

If the 'thing you dont agree' with is hate speech or shit promotting violence for example that's the only sane option you have lol

Basically This

But seriously, fuck them tankies.

Only lemmy could make a post about disagreeing with someone's view point about child porn

I was there OP, I was there 3000 years ago before the great renaming, long before the eternal September. Fuck those bitches, defederate and be done with them. Assholes are eternally assholes and giving them an inch is just inviting them to take a mile.

I don't have the patience to discuss transphobes and I will never, ever, understand them. Just go fuck yourself and then kindly fuck off.

Funny how one instance is the one everyone wants to defederate from.

lol its this shit every time libs see a legitimate left stance. im assuming you’ve seen the sh.itjust.works defed post. its like 5 super vocal users having a conniption fit that there are communists on the internet

geordi-no defederate to maintain your very special echo chamber

geordi-yes defederate to stop sh.tjust.works chuds from harassing your comrades in DMs with violent, transphobic and ableist attacks

Defederation is becoming the Lemmy meme.

I think being on lemmy does not in any way oblige a user to listen to everyone all the time. A lot of people will just come here for a good time. And for the freedom of speech activists: freedom of speech also involves other peoples freedom not to want to listen.

Moreover, I think most people who want to defederate with certain instances don’t necessarily have a problem with different world views, but have a problem with the tone being set by a small percentage of the users of said instances. Unfortunately, only a small percentage is needed to create a general vibe.

I hope it will be possible for individual users to block entire instances very soon, this way this whole debate will become obsolete. Personally, I can’t wait for it (the debate to become obsolete, not blocking instances necessarily)

You can't tolerate nazis or tankies. Bad reasoning altogether. Look at the state the USA is in right now because we decided to tolerate fascists.

Works for me. I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Fascists and child porn spammers may have rights somewhere, but not in my world.

Whew !memes sure does have a lot of faciest apologia.

Defed is cheaper than consulting a lawyer.

I think they're mainly quick to defederate because they don't want to burn out their mods.

Conflict and drama means lots of work for them so I can see it being an easy choice. Personally I'm happy my instance isn't too trigger happy with it

Not ITT, OP commenting on their own post. 3 day old account posting just to stir up shit. Obvious plant is obvious

Many instances have shit like hexbear federated, but have explicit rules on the side saying "no tankie shit". make it make sense.

Are we talking about exploding heads or hexbear this time?

Someone doesn't like the movies you like? Red button

Someone has questionable opinions on economic policies? Green button

Someone starts talking about how (((they))) own the banks and run the world? Blue button

Wow I got red and blue mixed up before this edit FUCK me

Yes. If they want to do that shit they can do it somewhere else. Hell, take it to Facebook.

Everyone in here but me seems to know which defeds this is about.

Go back to whichever 14 year old infested, fake communist, edgelord hideout you crawled out of.

@w00t How about you join an instance where the admins agree with this?

The marketplace of ideas is only okay if they're ideas I agree with!

Dude this is a social media, not the senate...

Is there a c like subredditdrama?

I can't keep up with who is defeding from who

The funniest part is when two instances federate, but the userbases of both instances want to defederate with each other immediately afterwards lol.

neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

Oh hey, look, it's the same thought terminating argument that the alt-right uses to whitewash Nazis!

Kindness doesn’t work with people who don’t respect your right to exist

i already understand them and i dont give a fuck about discussing in an online forum

I'd hit yellow, the ignore button.

What's cool about the fediverse is that we get to choose.

Do I want to be in an instance that federates with everyone, good and bad?

Pros:

More content.
Potentially insightful debate.

Cons:

More negativity.
Potentially giving a platform to extremists.

Or do I want to be in an instance that defederates on a whim?

Pros:

More positive content.
Taking a strong stance against extremism.

Cons:

Less content.
Potentially missing insightful debate.

Personally, debate I've had that was insightful was generally in good faith to begin with, and would be allowed on platforms like Beehaw, so I don't see much use for "anything goes" kinds of platforms. Additionally, I'm not always in the mood for debate. I can just switch between different instances depending on my mood. Given that everyone can choose their instance, I don't see much of a reason for trying to federate with everyone.

Flashing button number 4 "U R MENTALLY ILL" smuglord

I literally just left sh.itjust.works because they federated with hexbear.

I'd rather an instance defederate with a toxic instance than have to switch instances in order to avoid said toxic instance.

But apparently sh.itjust.works doesn't care about it's users wants despite the majority wanting to defederate.

Cry more you whiny shit.

I'm going to defederate with this post

this but unironically. please defederate from us

Death to America

The only people here I can't vibe with are people with like karl marx or smth as their banners and people trying to abolish the age of consent

Stop right there criminal scum. Pay the court a defederation. Your posts are now forfeit.

If someone says, "you just can't handle that my views are different than your views", they are either a Nazi, or a tankie.

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Isn't dbzer0 defederated from a bunch? That kinda sucks.

I just block users or communities if they become problematic. I enjoy being exposed to different opinions but I'm not interested in childish BS or low effort, intentionally contrarian posts

I've been living under a rock for the past month.

That's it, I'm defederating Lemmy.ml for this slight.

you are completely free to discuss with tankies all you want, even if instances defederate (for example, you could make an account on their instance)

@ Lemmy.world

losing

Nazi is a communist term for delegitimizing a legitimate sovereign nation. Cope with it. Churchill said so.

It's intriguing how everyone that views themselves as moderates/liberals forget (or are unacquainted with it) about the paradox of tolerance.

Tolerance implies everyone has a right to express their ideas and you want that. You want everything out in the open, so you can pick at it, dismantle it and render it pitiful, ridiculous and useless.

You want the intolerant crying out loud that you are intolerant as that means you are doing the right thing. The intolerant want silence, forced, while the tolerant want noise, anger, tension.

Remember that anything worthwhile needs to be fought for. Don't regret being vocal and harsh towards intolerance.

452 (and counting) defederates

Literally no different than every other echo chamber people cultivate in life.

Lemmy.ml should be sent to purgatory.

Defederation is becoming the Lemmy meme.

I think being on lemmy does not in any way oblige a user to listen to everyone all the time. A lot of people will just come here for a good time. And for the freedom of speech activities: freedom of speech also involves other peoples freedom not to want to listen.

Moreover, I think most people who want to defederate with certain instances don’t necessarily have a problem with different world views, but have a problem with the tone being set by a small percentage of the users I’ve said instances. Unfortunately, only a small percentage is needed to create a general vibe.

I hope it will be possible for individual users to block entire incidences very soon, this way, this whole debate will become obsolete. Personally, I can’t wait for it (the debate to become obsolete, not blocking instances necessarily)

Holy fuck, it seems like there are only 2 extreme opposite sides and both are full of shit, clowns and morons. Why can't we just have some middle ground?

kelly

Defederate literally everyone. Defederate servers because you don't like the color of the admin's hair. My lemmy app supports multiple accounts, defederation has the tiniest possible impact on my user experience and is good for you as an instance owner. Defederate. Defederate. God Almighty, defederate. That's wtf the option is there for.