Ukrainian Neo-Nazi mocks Auschwitz victims
Ukrainian Neo-Nazi mocks Auschwitz victims
Social media users have called out a member of a nationalist Ukrainian brigade for posting images that appear to praise Nazi genocide
A Ukrainian Neo-Nazi soldier visited the Auschwitz death camp wearing a shirt quoting Hitler in order to mock the camp's victims. This is the type of truly fascist scum that billions and billions of US taxpayer dollars are going to fund and arm.
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but Nazi parties are still a super tiny minority (like Right Sector) and so are the Nazi battalions who got incorporated into the army
lol, peak liberal brain. These heavily-armed Nazi groups are incorporated into the army and people don't vooooooooooot for them, surely they have no power.
Yes, but they are also very small in relative numbers. The point about the voting results has to do with the general feeling of the population. If someone claims that Nazism is basically mainstream culture, then it only makes sense to see that reflected into elected parties. It also makes sense if you are claiming that it's hard to find a soldier without Nazi symbols, because the army is now full of civilians.
Are you claiming that the Nazi groups now incorporated into the army have the power to actually take power by force, now that they have been armed? Based on what you are saying this? Why it didn't happen yet according to the analysis, since they are now armed for years?
Care to elaborate?
They basically already did in 2014 with US backing, see that one video where an Ukronazi is gloating about how even though all the Western media talked about was how Nazis were a minority in Euromaidan, without them it would've been ”like a gay parade” (his words).
Even if the Nazis are a relatively small portion of the population, they have lots of weapons and have been training (including indoctrinating children as reported by Western media) for years, it's not exactly far fetched to say they can use the threat of violence get their way.
Yes, I have seen that video (correct me if I am wrong, I remember the name of that group was some number sixty something).
Obviously it's hard to say how delusional that guy is vs how accurate his assessment was. But I have no problem imagining they had a role. But the coup/revolution of 2014 had huge population support, so to me it seems likely that their contribution has not been so impactful.
As I said (elsewhere possibly, at this point I don't have a clear overview of the comment chain), I don't exclude the possibility that such groups might eventually use force to take power. I think it's unlikely, first because lots of them died in the war, second because their ideology doesn't have much support in the population (talking about the actual Nazi views - kill Jews, kill minorities) who is instead westernizing (for good or for bad) and finally because as they have weapons and training, so does the regular army, while also being much bigger. I think that if a Nazi coup will happen, it will be because the effective power dynamics in the country changed and not the result of an armed coup.
If someone claims that Nazism is basically mainstream culture, then it only makes sense to see that reflected into elected parties
You do realize the parties "elected" are the one pushing Banderism and approving the incorporation of neo-nazi militias into high ranking positions in the police abd military, the fuckin Azov militias are literally a special forces bridgade now, you think that happens without goverment sanction? A party doesn't have to call itself the New Nazi Jew Killer party to be a nazi party, Zelensky's party is a nazi party
I addressed this in the past, trying to elaborate a bit on the nuances of Banderism as a phenomenon, but the comment was moderated. So I am sorry, I feel I can't engage into a conversation on this topic without wasting my time in a comment that is going to be deleted.
Azov militias are literally a special forces bridgade now, you think that happens without goverment sanction?
No, I think I have written elsewhere that they have been incorporated into the army, I am very aware that it happened with government approval and decision.
I don't think Zelensky party was also particularly Banderist, especially since he was a "russophile" candidate according to the Poroshenko voters, who are more nationalists.
nuances of Banderism
Fuck off.
Eh, as you wish, but if you don't want to explore the contradictions between nazism and national independence, you are simply choosing not to go deeper in the analysis. As a leftist, I think that's kind of necessary if you want to understand complex situations from a different perspective than what you have due to your own background.
I know for sure that it was necessary for me, because as I have written elsewhere, for me -as Italian- the discussion on Nazism during WWII is a very simple and straightforward one.
As a leftist
As a leftist, I think there are nuances to why people like the fascist Holocaust collaborator.
I will make another comparison for you then.
Italian partisans cooperated with the US to liberate Italy from fascism. I think we can all agree about US imperialism and the damages it did, not to talk about the opportunistic nature of US intervention. US support is especially associated with right-wing parties and in fact only few decades later we had Gladio.
So, what do you make of this? Do you think that anybody who is grateful for US intervention in Italy is a supporter of US imperialism?
As a leftist, I think there are nuances to why people like the fascist Holocaust collaborator.
Yeah, there are. I understand you refuse to engage in good faith, but I will say it nevertheless. Most of the people who consider Bandera a hero do so due to the impact on liberating the country, not to support the collaboration with Nazi Germany nor the abhorrent murders of Poles. Refusing to analyze the complexity and contradictions of this situation is just a way to shortcut the analysis, something that leftist people generally don't do.
Eh,
The universal retreating cry of the pseudointellectual loser
With all due respect, I think "fuck off" is slightly higher in that list :)
No u
To a very sophisticated accusation, a very sophisticated reply