[Vote] Should we defederate hexbear?

Yes.

I’m sensitive to racial issues but the way they go about discussing them devalues them in the same way that I used to devalue them, and reliving my mistakes in every comment section is killing me. Also, everything turns into twitch chat after they arrive.

Aye. If I want to see their content I can read it on a hexbear amount. They just flood my feed with memes and only barely tangentially related comments that are trying to bait people into saying something that they think gives them the high ground. They're like the arch Linux users of identity politics.

Aye.

I knew that the toxicity of reddit was affecting me, but I didn't realize just how much until the move to Lemmy back in June. Everything was just so nice, people just happily chatted in comments, most disagreements were talked through or an "agree to disagree" arrangement was reached. Seeing the rude, angry people and the trolls creep back in was so disappointing (though I do realize it's inevitable. I used to mod forums back in the day.) Having a good chunk of those negative types on one instances is a positive thing, though. With the tools at hand, we can nip it in the bud by just blocking the lot of them.

Something I think people forget in all these many posts about blocking instances is that blocking is not a permanent thing. The mods aren't hitting the big red button and nuking the instance from existence forever. It can be undone. Times change, people change, forums/subreddits/instances change as they age. If it looks like things may have improved in a blocked instance, the ban can be lifted.

Aye.

They're obviously here just to troll and brigade. The offer nothing of value, while making this instance more annoying.

Aye.

I was going to vote against it on principle, but I'm just really tired of their shit.

Aye. They're more or less another Exploding Heads: an echo chamber with a potent and very precise set of opinions which they smear all over any wall they can find.

Aye

As much as it's funny watching tankies whataboutism and fake outrage, it gets to be too much with their spam taking up most of the oxygen in the room.

Hexbear behaves like the average /b/ /r9k/ /pol/ user

Aye

Check back when we can whitelist individual members who have proven their ability to post in good faith on other instances. Or in ten years to see if Hexbear's culture isn't toxic anymore.

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Yes

I'm just sitting here on Kbin wondering what the hell is happening, and eating a cookie.

Anyone else want a cookie? They're peanut butter chocolate chip!

Edit: oh ok I read about whats happening. Wow. What a mess. You guys seem to hate eachother with a passion so I feel like defederating is the only way to keep things from being a constant flame war. Though I will say I definitely lean towards the "hexbear is a little batshit" side of the argument lol.

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yes

Aye. The trolling and brigading needs to stop.

Hexbear users remind me of the lulzsec days. They used to think they were special but really they were just fucking annoying.

Aye

not sure if my vote is counted since I made the thread

Nay (for now)

I like messing with hexbear users, they have no idea how anything works, they can't downvote, they're easy to ban, and they are so damn fun to troll. Buuut they are also very annoying, so I can totally understand the yes.

Yes.

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Aye. Trolls and assholes that only generate negativity.

Aye, theyre spam is fucking annoying. Also the brigading is getting old.

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Can someone please explain to me what is wrong with them? Generally curious.

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Yes please

aye, I don't really care whatever politics bullshit they have going on there

Aye aye caption!

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Aye aye aye, blocked em already in my app.

Hexbearian here, please defederate, thank you mao-wave

Aye

Yes. I just made an account on lemmy.world for the sole purpose of avoiding them.

It'd be nice to not have to leave my main instance

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Toxic sludge.

I do not comment much but Yes ! They have been nothing but trouble sense they showed up !

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Nay.

My beliefs aren"t so fragile that they're threatened by opposing viewpoints, even those that may not be put forth in good faith.

And I can simply block (the relatively small (?) proportion of) users that don't engage in good faith.

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I blocked them myself in connect for Lemmy.

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Nay,

I really wish people that hate hexbear would take a step back and look at their own behavior. Most hateful comments I see on the subject seem to be aimed at them and not coming from them.

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Nay.

Provided the moderators on sh.itjust.works feel capable of dealing with any outright hate speech or harassment from that community, I think most of us are big enough people we can deal with hearing differing view points. If someone has a big enough problem with a single user or community, there is always a user-side block as well. My only reservation would be if the degree of spam/harassment is over taxing our community moderators. I recall how many of us in sh.itjust.works were offended when Beehaw defederated us -- for the same sort of reasons (too much spam, too much harassment, the wrong kind of people, etc etc etc).

I cast my yes vote in another comment to avoid issues with counting votes, but... are the results of this consequential in any way? shitjustworks admins have already stated they don't really care. will they abide by the results of this, or will it they just release another "we hear you but too bad" statement?

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1 vote to defederate.

Isn't it funny how this poll was started by the person who moderates the community with the racist banner? Apparently their opinion counts for something over here 🤔

Nay

Yes you should. This instance should not have been federated at all and I regret having voted in favor. You're a bunch of racist fucks.

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Yes

No. But I hope users get the ability to block instances they don't like.

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yes, i vote you run away because youre scared.

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Aye.

Please silo yourselves.

Yes.

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Defederate. Y'all racist as fuck.

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Nay I like them they're very handsome guys and funny

yes, please leave us alone. we don't benefit from your stupid lib shit in any way

Death to America

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Nay, I don't really see any problem woth their content or posts. Not that I agree with what they say and some of their communities, but for example their games community has interesting content.

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We hate you too 💖

Aye aye captain

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yes yes-comm

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No.

But if better moderation tools don‘t come into existence, we should reconsider.

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they are all very cringe but not worth defederation

Nay

I am politically aligned with these people. But their super unfunny aggressive humor gives hurts my brain. Are these people old enough to use the internet?

Please let them do their own thing, over there 👉 not here.

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I'm probably going to personally. But as a site, I haven't seen enough to wasn't to do that.

Again, limited info to go on.

But no.

Until I see reason to change that. They are a confusing bunch though.

No

I don't think they've been rule-breaking, I just think they're generally a bit heavy-handed with rhetoric / annoying

aye, their posting power is simply too great

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You know this is not the way it works here, so this is trolling. Open a voting ticket by starting a discussion thread, perhaps?

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Nay!

No.

Individual sh.itjust.works users can block instances and communities, and mods can ban hexbear users that break community rules. I'm not convinced that defederation is needed (yet), but open to being proven otherwise.

no

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Isolate them and they'll only get worse and their issues will seethe into everything, let them join the wider world and the edgy ones amoung them will get bored.

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aye, get the fuck away from us you miserable bigoted assholes

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Yes, SJW is for concentrated Reddit Brains only and anyone who doesn't "Bazinga" the dumbest shit ever and/or has ever read a book in it that didn't contain magic or dragons is going to destroy that wonderful sense of hyper-Reddit culture and "intellectualism" that I need to feel like I'm in a group of my peers. Most of us are here because we're too big of losers for even Reddit and only came here because our favorite apps were removed that made it harder to manage my 4 "throwaway" accounts because even with complete anonymity I'm still (rightfully) ashamed to be know as myself.

Nay, for now. I have to believe open discussion is good and healthy for the larger ecosystem. I support blocking individual offenders and communities as needed, and perhaps the instance should revisit this question after 30 days minimum.

Nay

Yeah fuck those guys, theyre liberals

I mean, who would be left to debate politics with? People who agree with me?

Aye. Hexbear is never going to stop being uncivil to bigots.

Aye y'all are transphobes that need reeducation

I'm not a shitjustworks user, but No. Allow individual people to block Hexbear if they wish to, but also keep it federated so those who want to talk to hexbear users can.

Hey all,

I will be locking this voting thread as they do not conform to the Agora guidelines.

Voting threads should run from Friday to Friday
Voting threads should be started by a member of The Agora moderation team and must reference the discussion thread.

In addition, it appears that hexbear has reversed their decision and has removed us from their allowed list.

As Lemmy looks to add the ability for users to decide which instances they want to blocked on a per user basis, I hope these types of defederation conversations discussion become less common.

I'd like to give a thanks to the admin at hexbear carc0sa who reached out to us in the last week in order to coordinate some mutual moderation between instances.

Lastly over the last week I've read a lot of back and forth between instances and want to leave you with this.

As people we all have the right to our own opinions and beliefs. Sometimes from time to time we might come across someone who doesn't share these same opinions or beliefs. Instead of using these differences as reasons to divide us, I hope we as people can get to a point where we can use it to make us more understanding, knowledgeable, accepting and united.

As things such as Natural Disasters continue to rise globally there might be a day where the person who you disagree with is the same person who is helping you or a loved one. It won't matter if they are a leftist, rightist, white, black, LGBTQ. What will matter is whether they are a decent human being who understands that while opinions make differences they can choose to not be divide by it.