Stop he's already dead

EU has its many flaws but they pretty much doing their job in regards of consumer rights, human rights and protection of personal data.
- If we could only fix that veto issue... And the parliament issue... Someday hopefully :')
  
  Hungarian is against fixing the Veto Issue!
  
  And the chat control issue :')
- Human rights? Lol I wish, frontex is just waiting to start shooting migrants at the borders
  
  Unpopular opinion: most migrants come to Europe from safe countries. We should absolutely 100% allow people who flee from war zones to take refuge in Europe. But most migrants who currently cross the border illegally are coming from places like Turkey or Morocco. Is there a war tearing these countries apart that I do not know about? I agree, asylum is a human right, but it’s just that: a right. It’s not an obligation. People abuse that right and then complain they’re not handed stuff on a silver plate.
  If Europe went to war right now, like in the good old days, I’d flee to safety as well. No doubt about that. But I’d be happy to take refuge in the nearest safe country, not try to get into Canada illegally, just because I heard it’s a nice place to live.
- Hope for same work direction in the future!
- The battery thing is for the environment
- The European Convention of Human Rights, the Council of Europe and its court looks after human rights, not the EU.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights
  
  You are right. My intention was to refer the whole of Europe as EU (which I know its incorrect) rather than go into specifics but regardless thanks for the clarification.
  
  Question, do these bodies have teeth? And if so would these teeth exist without the EU?
  My understanding of the EU is that the only thing they can really do to coerce uncooperative members is threaten to revoke membership.
  So, if these bodies are not EU, and it wants to impose a sanction against a member nation, by what mechanism can it enforce that?
  Just wondering.

DO MANDATORY 3.5mm JACK NOW
- THE PERSON THAT DOWNVOTED THIS DESERVES THEIR AIRPODS TO RUN OUT OF BATTERY DURING A 12 HOUR FLIGHT SITTING NEXT TO A CHILD AND THEIR CHATTY NO-VAX-MAKING-MY-OWN-BREAD-LOOK-AT-THE-PICTURES-OF-MY-C-SECTION-DELIVERY MOTHER
  
  That's why you carry two sets of Airpods on a 12 hour flight. /s
  
  I'm with you. I still use my 3.5mm jack daily. I've got some cheap PC stereo speakers next to my bed, so I can listen to stuff to fall asleep to. They suck for music, but are just fine for audiobooks for instance.
  
  Why would you not use a usb-c headset?
  
  Need more of this energy in my life
  
  Jeeez
  
  It takes 5 minutes at most to get another hour of playback from my headset. You do not need a headphone jack in this day an age, and I say this as an avid music listener. Also ANC won't work if your battery is dead most of the time, so having a wired option is not that useful for your flight
- Yes. Also I need a SCSI connector. Do that obsolete piece of shit as well.
  
  FULL FLEDGED 40-GPIO-PIN LIKE A RASPBERRY PI
  
  Also a legacy 25 pin serial port, you never know when it’d come in handy
- +a beefed up amplifier otherwise little point.
- The number of times and situation I've wished I had wired earbuds. And this is someone who generally uses wireless headphones. The fact that they removed it in the first place is bs

User expandable/replaceable storage, please.
There's no reason whatsoever that a 2TB iPad should cost £1250 more than a 128GB one. I put an extra 2TB in my PS5 the other week for under £100.
- Honestly one of my favorite things about my ps5. I can appreciate the small repair moves, but I’d still appreciate „Other OS” being brought back.
  
  OtherOS is never coming back, it gives too much freedom to probe at the hardware and find security exploits.
  
  That's the reason back in 2013 or so I switched to PS3 for my main gaming. MS wanted a shitload for a tiny ass 360 hard drive, but with Sony it came with a 250GB drive out the gate and I replaced it with a 1TB for less than the 250 from Microsoft
  Of course, I switched to PC because Sony got greedy again with no mp3s on the system, trying to make me re-buy games I already had, and charging for online
  
  They officially supported that aswell, then they quietly stopped the way Kia left the furry community
- I have a 512gb micro SD card in my phone.. you just need to avoid the premium phones then you have options
- I'm still bitter that Samsung delayed the release of their PCIe 4.0 SSDs because Sony was buying up all their NAND stock, only for them to be sold to scalpers.
- Fairphone still puts SD-Card slots in their phones, i doubled my storage for 40€
- With phones and tablets I can understand, honestly. Soldered-in insanely fast storage space is quite expensive. Only recently a 2TB NVMe drive (much slower than what’s in an iPad) came down to reasonable prices. 1k+ is still a hella overcharge, but for the type memory it is, I can understand it being more than a standard NVMe.
  Expanded storage slots would be great, too… but slow as shit I’d it’s SD. Are iPads waterproof? If not, then that’s not an issue, but if they are, I could see that being a problem as well.
  
  Expandable storage does not compromise waterresistance. If a phone with a Sim card slot can be IP68 rated, then a phone with a combo sim/SD card slot can as well.
  
  I can't find any evidence that the inbuilt iPad Pro SSD is faster than modern NVMe SSDs. It's somewhere between 1 and 3 GB/s depending on the model. The Crucial P5 I got ran quite happily in the PS5 at about 5GB/s.
  It's all very much a muchness for the kind of loads that iPads will typically be handling anyway. I doubt there's anything that can process data fast enough to make the SSD the bottleneck.

At least the EU protects consumers' rights, which is a breath of fresh air and it is something to be appreciated. Not going to lie.
- Especially in contrast to the US who completely stopped pretending to support consumers.
- Let's hope it stays that way, now that Fiona Scott Morton was appointed "Chief Economist of EU’s Directorate-General for Competition".
- Are they objectively doing this to help consumers though, or is there another reason and it just so happens to benefit consumers.
  
  They are doing it to help consumers and protect the environment by forcing modularity and recyclable components.

Reminder: Steve Jobs was a non-engineer, non-designer Marketing guy who was famously against charity and refused to pay child support despite being mega rich.
He didn't create the I-anything. He took what talented people did and made himself the face of it. He was a bad dude, a model capitalist, and the world is better for his preventable, self-inflicted early demise. Thanks for being into alternative "medicine" at least, Steve.
- Elon Musk is a wannabe Steve Jobs, it all makes sense.
- He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it's, he could help a lot of people.
- He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it's, he could help a lot of people.
- You sound like if Steve Jobs fucked your mom and never called her back X'D
  
  If I slap you there's a non-zero chance Steve Job's cock falls out of your mouth.

I’d love if they added a minimum security-update time for the OS. 5 years of OS upgrades should be the norm, and at least 7 more years of life-support, where security updates are provided.
It is ridiculous how fast phones become unsupported and unsafe. The systems are so specialised that open source OS can not support them all. It’s all proprietary technology, dependant on proprietary code.
Once the last security update is shipped, the phone very quickly becomes a serious security vulnerability. Modern messaging formats such as emails and whatsapp become potential vectors of an attack. Visiting a Website might be enough to compromise ones phone. Even if every application you depend on didn’t already drop support, the phone is basically e-waste because of the OS.
On this front, Apple has actually been decent. They support their old hardware much longer than many android brands. However I still think anything below 10 years is absolutely ridiculous as it renders the whole device unusable.
I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.
- Do agree on this. A law about supporting, at the very least, just security updates for your product in a 7 or 8 year life span is a must IMO as well. 10 would be ideal, but even an 8 year life span is not bad.
  I wonder if in future we will have the same issue with cars and other items now dependant on internal computers.
  Probably, since most of them are smart now.
- It’s funny how Apple does offer decent support from a phone perspective, but their computers get dated fast.
  I just recently built a new PC after having my previous one for ten years. I didn’t strictly need to but I wanted to upgrade, my old PC is still fine.
  Apple doesn’t offer that kind of support for their computers.
  
  I don't think you're making a fair comparison there really. You should be comparing Apple to someone like Dell, HP, Asus, etc.
  What you're really comparing Apple's support to is your own, because you're the one building and maintaining that PC's hardware. Plus take a look at your 10 year old PC, does every component of it - motherboard, GPU, etc. still get security updates? Motherboards are one of the worst offenders in this area for just arbitrarily dropping support.
  The fact that the PC ecosystem is so open is why it can last so long, but I don't think it's as imbalanced as you're suggesting.
  Disclosure: I don't own any apple products
  
  laughs in early 2011 15” MacBook pro
  While you’re right, I can’t go past High Sierra… after popping in a SSD and 16GB RAM, that motherfucker still tears it up. It helps that it has a dedicated GPU, I suppose.
  Same experience as you with PC though—my partner’s 4670k/1070 were doing just fine until they tried to play Persona 5. That CPU just couldn’t handle the train station; all those people dropped it to under 10FPS. Ten year old machine though, played Elden Ring at about 40FPS at 1440p! (The 1070 was the most recent part in their machine.)
  12600k/3070 now, and it handles EVERYTHING. I’m jelly. I’ve got a 9900k and it’s beautiful, but I get TotK stutters and they don’t.

Apple isn't losing here. Eu is forcing them to make better phones.
- These changes go against Apple's business model and practices. Forcing USB C will mean they will probably try to add some bullshit software check to their plug in devices so 3rd party hardware makers will once again be shut out. These practices allow Apple to tell their current consumers "don't buy 3rd party stuff. It isn't made well and won't work on our incredible phones". Will that get struck down in the EU again? Probably. Will they make a few billion dollars before it does? Absolutely.
  Apple has purposefully avoided moving towards industry standards so they can keep everything in their control. For better or worse, it's actually one if the biggest strengths of Apple products. I know if I buy an iPhone, it's going to work great (until the battery goes), and any of their add on parts are also going to work great because they don't have to design drivers for the 400 different options out there. But that same practice inherently leads to these sort of anti-consumer decisions. Where a decision goes from keeping-in-their-wheelhouse to have-them-by-the-balls.
  
  I will never forgive them for killing the headphone jack—but I at least understand the business model behind it. Samsung's decision to follow suit likewise makes sense.
  As for the other manufacturers who jumped on the bandwagon for no reason other than that they saw the big kids do it—handicapping their devices with what is to many a dealbreaker issue, without offering their own line of wireless earbuds / headphones to capitalize off of—I can feel only pity and disdain.
- Apple didn't get big by producing quality hardware.
  
  That's arguable but the biggest selling point for apple is the plug and play environment and ease of use.
  Definitely fuck apple but the got some of it right.
- Um, what? Apple makes shitty design decisions to manipulate their consumer base. These regulations prevent them from doing that. These regulations mean the consumers win. Apple still has branded braindead consumers, but at least they went be able to scam them on batteries headphones and chargers as easily.
  
  Exactly the eu regulations force Apple to make better phones.

Look, I'm happy about the EU regulating these things and think it's great for the overall ecosystem. But can we please stop with the "Apple users are braindead" circlejerk? It's so fucking cringe, and it unironically reminds me of the unebearable zeal that Apple cultists used to (and probably still do but I see it less) impose on anyone who made the mistake of getting to close to them.
I've had many Android phones over the years, and one iPhone 8. While I am considering moving to a de-Googled Android for privacy reasons, I have to say, my iPhone has held up better than any of my Android phones (Galaxy S3, S4, LG G3) did, without needing to replace the battery. Just because you can't understand why someone might want one doesn't mean everyone who gets an iPhone is an idiot.
I would much rather have left this kind of tech chest-beating over at reddit.
- Those who are still on the 'apple bad' train like to forget they are running an OS built by an ads company.
  Every phone manufacturer has some bad shit, I choose to stick with apple cuz I already have a big library of paid stuff.
  
  Firstly running Android != running Google on it.
  Secondly you prove exactly the point. They try to make you dependent on their proprietary technology, forcing you to use their app store, apps, chargers, repair shops, desktop OS, TVs etc. (you can circumvent each of these point, but it requires always some amount of technical time investment).
  
  I've been flashing custom firmware on my phone since before Android was a thing, I'll have you know my OS is built by dodgy Russian hackers installed on a dodgy Chinese phone, thank you very much.
  
  Excuse you, I use CalyxOS on my phone. I also use Linux on my PC. Am I allowed back on the "apple bad" train? Tbh, I don't think Apple products are bad. I just hate the company, just like many MANY others.
  
  At least they with android can change and look at everything since its open source. Root and toot. Ios will fall due to its lock ins just like Microsoft once did. Same same but different.
- Hi, I'm sorry that this makes you feel uncomfortable. It wasn't my aim to make people feel that way. Even if I was making fun of Apple devices and users it doesn't reflect the whole spectrum of my feelings. I do think that Apple has made some technological milestones and that their products are a strong alternative comparing them to the other ones (Windows Phone *cough cough)
  Even if Apple isn't my favourite brand I still believe that competition drives progress which is why I'm actually glad Apple is such a big competition and vice versa. And it is because of users like you.
  I don't really want to denounce Apple users for their phone choice. As I see it we've all chosen our phone by our past influences and experiences, and those naturally differ so there's no objective right and wrong here. Ultimately, you choose what suits you best!
  And to be really fair, the only phones I've seen so far that would tick off all the boxes are old Android phones and the Fairphones.
  
  Ah nah, it's OK I wasn't talking to you specifically. The meme is fine by itself -- it just attracts certain types that do like to say the kind of things I was referring to. Perhaps I should have replied to one of the other comments I saw that said this instead.
- Yeah but I want to see change, I don't want such a stupid greedy company win a single customer. Customers are mostly not knowing anything what they are doing and just do such a stupid decision because Apple markets Iphones with 99% satisfaction of user reports which is 100% fake and just marketing... like privacy, its just marketing. There is no privacy.
- If privacy is your concern the better option could be e.g. some google free android variant. There are several other OSes that are specialised in this regard and I think it's not a pro argument for apple.
- I don't really mind the non-replacable batteries tbh. Water resistance is much harder when you need to design your phone with a removable battery.
  I do want the SD card slots back though. I don't care about having two Sim cards, I want my enormous local storage that I can transfer in 8-10 seconds back
- Fuck Apple
- No we can't.

Something that I haven't seen mentioned on this topic:
having a spare charged battery with you also have so much more sense than carrying a powerbank. No losses transferring power to phone, no excessive heat, MUCH lighter.
This is what we have for radios (walkie-talkies), drones, cameras, but not for phones, where we really need this.
- We're not necessarily talking about "pop the back open and slam a new one in" batteries a la Nokia 3310, but rather being able to replace a battery at the end of its lifecycle without special expertise and tools, but still, with some amount of effort required.
  That's the requirement at least, but companies are of course free to choose either approach.
  According to a draft version of the ecodesign regulation on the EU’s website, batteries should be replaceable “with no tool, a tool or set of tools that is supplied with the product or spare part, or basic tools.”
  https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries
  
  Thank you for clarification and context.
  I'm daydreaming about potential feature and sell point some manufacturers may adapt to bring this regulation further into a win-win for themselves and customers. So yes, essentially bring me 3310 back :)
  
  But when Apple ships the replacement battery with the Apple self service tools that they have today. Would that even change something for the iPhone? The amount of expertise is questionable.

Replaceable batteries are so early millenia.
- "We CaNnOt mAkE tHeM wAtErProOf."
  Galaxy S5 starts laughing
  
  Not just the Galaxy S5, go open GSMArena's phone finder and filter the results by form factor to "bar", IP certificate to IPx7 and IPx8, and finally the battery to removable, 97 phones if you gonna include non-Android phones
  And also one little thing, can you all please stop using the wrong word, it is water resistance not waterproof
  
  Waterproof devices are excluded from having to have replaceable batteries. Just FYI
  Also, newer android phones don’t have replaceable batteries either. So why always bitch about just Apple?
  
  Nokia 5210 wants to have a word with you.
  
  And not replaceable with tools. You could do it in about two seconds.
- Samsung STILL makes them! https://www.samsung.com/us/business/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/
- There were a lot of good things back then. I don't mind that part coming back

I wish I lived in Europe.
- Many european countries have great immigration laws and opportunities. Some companies will offer relocation assistance and reimbursment. It's a challange, but it's possible.
  Just please leave your cars behind :)
  
  cars? you mean satan's shithole wagon?
- Can't you just purchase the EU version or is it locked for non EU sim cards?
  Some changes might also affect non EU countries anyways, at least there is no logical reason to keep especially the hardware changes region locked... On the other hand, it's Apple
- Same

Now hit em again with a FaceTime on other platforms and finish off with an iMessage on Android!
- I would looooove iMessage to be an option on my PC computers and my friends’ Android phones. Signal is great, but iMessage is so super clean. I love that I can have E2E encrypted chats from my laptop to my friends’ phones.
  People complain about BuBbLe CoLouRs without even knowing what it means… iMessage is legitimately amazing. 100% get it to other platforms, Apple!
  
  Oh do I have some good news for you then. The end of the summer a few platforms are slated to launch an iMessage on Android app.
  Sunbird is the big one that is getting a large amount of coverage and sells itself as E2E for iMessage (we'll see at launch as it's in beta right now).
  Beeper is another one that's an aggregation messenger similar to what signal originally was, but is also supposed to allow iMessage instead of its own alternative, as well as still being usable for text/RCS messaging.
  I'm not working for either of these companies, I just have a significant other with an iPhone who always complains about my messages being green, and so I did some research into ways to fix it a few months ago and found both of these to be the promising fixes that don't require self hosting a server (funny seeing as this is lemmy, kinda the theme here). I've kept it under wraps from them to be a huge surprise when it launchs and all of a sudden they can't complain/talk about the platform superiority anymore.

based EU

thanks for using POV correctly
- And thanks to EU for using POW! correctly

“Your honor, the apple vision pro was specifically designed to be used inside a small sailing ship.”

I'll believe it when I see it.

Sideloading, too.
- For a second I was thinking about chromebooks because you can't install native packages and only install apps from Play Store. Till I remember that you can enable app-dev mode to install any .apk (sideload). But does it count? I need to enable dev-app mode which can't be reverted. Additionally it annoys you on the lock screen with a red text that this chromebook has unverified packages. You can always enable it without any further downsides.
  But at least you can install natively Linux on any Chromebook like a normal x86 Laptop or ARM64 Device.
  
  No, the EU wants sideloading on iOS starting from 2024 iirc.

I mean I think apple is just gonna increase prices in the EU and blame regulators.
- And then their market share will even go lower. Apple has a great market share, but only in the US. Europeans mostly use Android devices. Except for the Swedish, don't know what's up with them, but they love Apple devices.
  
  I know at least 5 plebs who'd still purchase Apple devices even if they increased their prices by 100 bucks
- Yeah likely, not as if they needed to stay competitive with such a loyal fanbase

Unfortunately "USB-C" means nothing. It just describes what type of connector to use.
- I mean its gpod enough,no? Tp be able to force apple to not use proprietary charging. And i assume data will also be a thing on their products, whether or not it uses the full speed capabilities of usb c dpesnt seem to matter.
  
  Last I read was that apple was going to throttle their usb-c ports being used with non-apple blessed cables. And those cables are supposed to be pretty spendy, as they're going to be "apple taxed",
  <cough>
  I mean certified as apple is calling it. I hope the EU puts the smack down on them for trying to create such a loophole in interoperability requirements.
  
  "USB-C" really only means "that flat oval shaped connector" and absolutely nothing more. The plug and cable and connected devices define what USB standard is used. You can deliver anything from "charging only USB 2.0 low power" to USB 4 with 240 W charging and 80Gbps data transfer including 8K@60 DisplayPort tunneling via USB-C.
- You just said it means nothing, then explained what it means. Why is it unfortunate that apple will need to put UBC C on the single device that still doesn't have it FROM THEIR OWN LINEUP.
- It's also a proprietary standard that needs to be licensed. They've basically handed the USB organization a complete monopoly over smartphones. I know there is no suitable open source option that can replace USB but it's still far from ideal. Maybe for the next step in furtherance of hardware freedom we should also be funding the development of a proper open source alternative, or campaign for USB to be open sourced.

Actually, since battling my phone addiction, my battery holds up the whole day. I use an iPhone 14 Pro, right now I’m 6 hours in my work day, currently on a break, typing this with 92% remaining. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by now because it would have had less than 20%.
- You should not charge more than 70-80% to preserve the battery
  
  Not on modern-ish devices. The battery controller already does it for you and shows you 100% when it is not physically at 100%. Plus, lithium polymer batteries are not as affected by this issue as older battery types. This is an old myth basically.

Unpopular opinion here: I don’t mind the Non-replaceable battery. Since battling my phone addiction, it holds up strong. I use the iPhone 14 Pro. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by my lunch break because it would’ve dropped to 20%. Now I’m typing this with 92% battery remaining. I also don't care about the charging port. Yes, it sucks, but if it wasn’t for the headphone jack adapter I would not use it. I’ve been using induction charging ever since the first Galaxy Fold. Okay, I agree with that shops stuff.
What I really care about is the right of repairability. You can’t use things from another iPhone because in their database they have to manually remove the screen/battery/camera/cable/whatever from your phone and add the serial number of the new part. Like, if I order (overpriced) replacement parts for my iPhone 14 and I use those parts to repair a friend‘s iPhone 14, that fucking piece of shit throws and error unless some magical fuckery of a workaround is made.
- Naive question, how did you battle your phone addiction in simple terms?
  I found myself using my phone a lot more after the pandemic (from 1.45-ish to 3-ish daily) and I hate myself - less than 1h would be more than enough for healthy usage in my case :(
  
  Certainly not a naive question!
  I did it by accident actually. I stopped social media because I just never used it that much, not even lurking. I use a lot of Adblock, even YouTube still gets blocked on my phone if I open it via the browser, so I use this to open YouTube. I got a new number this January. In February I deleted my cookies. Google sends a code to your phone via message, if not, you a code a month later via mail. Haven’t used YouTube since. And then came the Reddit stuff and no more Apollo and there goes that.
  I use it now for Duolingo and music and Melvor Idle

Ironic since I'd wager most of social media users have apple phones
- No way that's true. Most social media users are in Asia and Africa where Android is King!
  
  Exactly. Worldwide market share of Apple devices was around 18-20% if I remember correctly.
- I've once seen a poll on Reddit where Android was leading with ~60% against Apple with ~40% but idk how trustworthy those polls are since they rely on user input instead of concrete OS data gathering and it was ofc a subreddit poll so it just reached a small group of Redditors
- What's the irony? It's the Apple users that the EU is protecting here.

Please tell me that there's a Lemmy community out there for EU memes.
- !yurop@antemeridiem.xyz or !yurop@dbzer0.com

Apple basically invented USB-C
- You are confusing USB C to Thunderbolt (which has adopted USB C)
  
  Nope, Apple participated in the creation of the USB-C standard, with a pretty big role in it apparently https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/

Fuck forcing me to have a shitty battery. God awful bullshit.
- It wouldn't be shitty. Essentially, it will be the same battery, but the phone will just be bulkier.
  
  Same (or better). Remember the aftermarket Galaxy S5 batteries that had increased capacity?

- Maybe you should try reading what’s proposed…
  The EU is not saying “companies should use USB-C”, they are saying “the industry should agree on a connector, and all should use that”.
  They went to the companies that are key players in the market and asked “what connectors do you think should be used right now?”, and the companies said “USB-C”, so that’s what it’s used.
  If in the future a better connector appears and the industry wants to change to it, they have to tell the EU “Now we want to use connector XYZ”, and that will be what everybody use. The standard is set by the industry, not the EU.
  The EU knows what it’s doing. They don’t claim to know better than the industry. They just want the industry to do things that favor the consumer, not screw them to favor themselves…
  American consumers are used at being screwed by companies that only see for the benefit of their shareholders. It doesn’t matter if the consumer has to spend more, or produce more waste. That’s not how the EU want things. Consumers and the environment are a priority here, not only shareholders returns.
  
  I do agree on this, the EU doesn't just blindly fly out with a proposal, they actually do research before they plan on passing anything.
  
  If the EU knows what it’s doing, why are they only using phone OSes from US based companies? I’d argue that they don’t know what they are doing at all considering they have made extremely little contribution to the space and yet want to regulate those products. Imagine the kind of trash they would have to use if the US companies pulled out of the EU.
- “Everything must have USB-C” sounds great right now, but what about when it gets old and slow or something better comes a long that is worth the switch… we have to wait for the EU to tell everyone it’s ok and make a transition plan for the whole industry?
  The entire point of the USB-C thing is so there is a standard charging port across all mobile devices. I doubt this is some sort of attempt at regulating the technology itself. If something faster comes along then it will organically become the new industry standard, just as every other USB charging port up to this point(e.g micro USB, mini USB). Apple is the outlier because they've kept their proprietary charging port for years, for the sole purpose of being able to set their own price for cables, dongles, etc... and preventing people from buying cheaper 3rd party options.
- I don’t thing legislating them is the right thing to do. Politicians are not technologists, nor do they have any insight into future product roadmaps.
  Without regulations we’d have child labour. Companies only care about profit, and will do their best to get that, and gladly sacrifice customer satisfaction and employee health as far as they believe they can get away with it.
  Without regulations companies and employers would screw over their customers and employees left and right. We know this because that’s the reality we live in today.
  I agree that politicians tend to be both technologically inept and slow as hell to act, but currently that’s the lesser evil.
  I’d also that 3rd party app stores provide less consumer choice. Right now I have the choice of a platform with a walled garden or one with 3rd party app stores. The EU is trying to take away that choice.
  This makes no sense. You can opt out of third party stores on both platforms. Adding a choice will never take something away.
- For profit company’s aren’t “technologists” either. The non removable battery’s aren’t there for the consumers benefits, they are there to take more control over the repair market … and make more profit. Not to be more techy.
  It’s all about market control/money.
- USB c is what almost everyone except for Apple has kind of agreed on anyways (except for parts the notebook market and some older tech that still uses micro usb for some reason)
  It's not like in 2004, where Sony Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola and so on each had their own plugs...
  And take a look at the PC market, where USB has been a thing since 1996 (I definitely did not have to google that *cough cough) ofc the plug evolved, but the design stayed the same so that you can plug 27 year old usb peripherals into your new shiny gaming PC. And I've had phones with USB c since 2016/17, so that has also been around for quite a while now.
  About the 3rd party apps I can say: you are always free to stay within the "walled garden". Not just on Apple, but on Android as well.
  If it wasn't for privacy I wouldn't need 3rd party stores at all as Google Play features almost every (legal) Android app in existence. 3rd party apps give me the opportunity to choose between a big tech store and a community open source alternative. Having store monopoly increases the risk of dictating "agreements" & levies to app devs who need to submit to get their software to the end user.
  
  I actually do have devices that old. The connector and communications protocol outlived the drivers. It'll be recognized as some sort of USB device, but I can never use it without a VM running an ancient guest OS.