People from other cultures who revere cows must feel the same way about beef as we feel about eating dogs.
People from other cultures who revere cows must feel the same way about beef as we feel about eating dogs.
The real beef.
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Yep, what's interesting is while Hindus accept is a religious thing (Not a fan of religions), anti dog eaters take a more we're objectively morally superior approach which really grinds my gears.
Considering we are eating a god right in front of them, they are remarkable civil about it all. I'm not a fan of religion either, as I've seen it bring out the worst in people. I wish there was more patience, understanding and empathy in the world.
I’m not Hindu but my Hindu friends have said that a misunderstanding of the religion. You don’t eat the cow because it’s produce milk. As such it’s more useful alive. You get fertilizer
It’s not a god. It’s more like the communion wafer.
I could be wrong but that’s what I’ve been told my multiple Hindus
In Catholicism a communion wafer is quite literally the body of Christ -- not symbolic. And Christ, as part of the holy trinity, is literally God. So Catholics do actually believe they're chomping down God every Sunday morning.
This is what confuses the shit out of me -
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You're eating the body of another human (symbolically, but still), wtf
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Christian God will toss you into hell fire for eternity if you call someone else a God, yet people call Jesus a God even though he's a distinct entity from his father, wtf
Cows by contrast are easier to explain imo - they've been and still are extremely important economically for a majority of the population. Treating them with care keeps a lot of people well off.
Not claiming this makes sense, but(in traditional Christian belif) Jesus is not a distinct entity from God.
God is one being made up of: the father(the being you are refering to as Christian god in your comment),
the son(jesus, who is gods humansona but the father does not stop existing when Jesus mode is active, and Jesus has always exsisted i.e.he wasn't created when he was born, and will always exist)
and the holy spirit (god's spiritual power or force e.g in an exorcism it's the holy spirit that actually casts the deamon out ). these are all 'aspects' of a single being, to reference St.Patrick its like how a shamrock has 3 leaves but they make up one plant
these are all 'aspects' of a single being, to reference St.Patrick its like how a shamrock has 3 leaves but they make up one plant
“I’m gonna stop ya right there, Patrick. Yeah, hold yer horses, Patrick. You’re about to confess ‘partialism.’”
“Partialism?”
“Yes partialism, a heresy which asserts that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not distinct persons of the Godhead but are different parts of God, each composing one third of the divine.”
“And who confesses the heresy of partialism?”
“The first season of the cartoon program Voltron where five robot lion cars merge together to form one giant robot samurai, obviously.”
Damnit!! I knew I'd forgotten something, told myself it was a good enough explanation.
It was a fine explanation, lol, it’s just that the theology here doesn’t really make much sense outside the world of Christian theology. Any attempt to simplify it for explanation runs into one “heresy” or another.
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The thing is theologists made that up in the Middle Ages to explain how having the three “god” entities made sense in the context of the rest of the religion. Jesus and Jehovah seemed to conflict with the “one god” thing, and who really knows about the “holy spirit”, so they invented the Doctrine of the Trinity to try to make it make sense.
I too like cows. They make sense to me.
The eating-a-human thing is symbolic. I take it as a reminder to have respect for the sacrifice made by the animals that died to make the food we eat. They support our life and so a level of respect is called for.
People think of Jesus as an avatar, like god playing a computer game on earth. So in that sense Jesus is video game god.
I hate the whole hellfire thing. It seems very manipulative.
It’s symbolic but it’s supposed to the body and blood of Christ. It’s sacred.
I was raised Catholic. I still go to mass. I’m for the most part an atheist.
Of all the things, communion never bothered me as I find it as you said a reminder
People think of Jesus as an avatar, like god playing a computer game on earth. So in that sense Jesus is video game god.
That sounds conceptually similar to Hinduism, where most of the Gods are avatars of a few Gods, appearing in different places/eras
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I don’t understand how it can be not symbolic when it is still demonstrably a cracker.
But I know religion is full of brute assertions that have no “reason” behind them so this is probably just another one.
I used to eat the communion wafer, so maybe that's the source of my misunderstanding! Always cool to learn something new, thanks.
I always assumed pretty much that. There is so much obvious utility in this prohibition.
I’m sure a farmer may be tempted to eat his ox but then he’s pretty much fucked as a farmer forever.
I’m probably not explaining it as well as my friend explained it but it was not the cow is a god. It was scared but more because of everything it provides.
It made a lot of sense the way he explained it. Made it seem more deep and spiritual.
I’m an atheist, so most this crap goes over my head. I’m Catholic by culture but I don’t have real faith. So the logical explanation made sense.
He does not eat animals flesh except during certain religious festivals he has fish. He does consume milk and sometimes eggs for baked goods because in America it’s impassible to avoid eggs.
Incorrect. Cow is a sacred animal in the Hindu culture. It is because one of the Hindu gods has a cow as his servant. People also refer to cow as their mother and worship cows at some places too.
Your Hindu friends probably aren't familiar with their own culture.
Sacred doesn’t mean god. Many things are scared in religions but that’s not the same as a god.
Here is cite that seems to match what I was told.
https://www.nhsf.org.uk/2007/05/why-do-hindus-worship-the-cow/
Never said it means the same thing. But the reason you were stating for Hindus not eating cow wasn't correct.
By your logic it would be just as bad to kill a goat in the Hindu culture.
Did you read the cite? That would show why you’re confused.
The original comment said they view cows as gods which is incorrect.
So I have no clue what you’re babbling about as it’s not relevant to what started the conversation.
Here is another cite that closely matches what I said.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_in_religion_and_mythology
"You don’t eat the cow because it’s produce milk. As such it’s more useful alive. You get fertilizer" You were incorrect because this isn't the reason Hindus consider eating the cow forbidden. Irrespective of whatever started the conversation I was replying to your comment. Perhaps you should have read my previous babble properly or talked to people who actually live in India before sending me citations written by whitewashed Indians about my own culture.
I’ll go with what my friend said and the multiple citations to back it up. I’ve been told this by about a dozen Hindus. Have a good night.
I really have no problem with people eating any animal. You just have to separate the animals you have for pets and the animals you eat. Don't mix them.
If people have a dog for eating, I have no issue with that. But if someone takes a dog that they've loved and played with for years and then eats it? That's going to mess their family up.
Naaa that's ridculous. You've never lived on a farm I presume. Or raised any sort of traditional libestock. We eat chickens and cows and goats we raise, the heirarchy of worth of conciousness is the issue here.
That's not what they're saying. Raising an animal for slaughter is not the same as raising an animal as a pet. People bond with their pets the way they bond with family members. Chickens and cows and goats might be loved right up until the day they are killed for food, but it's expected that they will die and be eaten.
I grew up on a farm.
We had goats we named and we're sort of pets. And we had goats that we butchered and ate. No problem.
Same. Used to pet the rabbit at my grandma's. The big one made terrific stew one day.