Im counting the days for a Piefed app so i can switch over and be able to forget about ml drama and weirdness

The developer is expressing their opinion on their instance using their software. The beauty of federation and the software he has crrated is that you can build a community that you want.you never have to interact with or his instance.

This post is drama for the sake of drama.

Update 2:

I just got banned from !linux@lemmy.ml for posting that screenshot

that ~~post~~message from nutomic is a classic demonstration of the horseshoe theory.

I just got banned from !linux@lemmy.ml for posting that screenshot

Honest question: Why does it matter if he's a transphobe when choosing which Fediverse software to use? The software is FOSS and anyone can make their own instance. I don't understand why his social views outside of sharing the software and protecting it from becoming proprietary matters when deciding what Fediverse software to use.

I'm not arguing my stance. I really want to understand what I might be missing.

I don't agree with him but I don't pay him for the open source and freely provided software I run on my instance which promotes the exact opposite. I really don't believe that Meta align with my views either but I still use instagram. If I cared about changing their mind I would talk to them instead and try and influence them positively than get rid of the lemmy software. If someone wants to write an alternative go for it. I don't think running the software is any kind of validation of its creators especially when its free and open source.

This is very disappointing. I'm glad lemmy is federated and open source, so that I don't have to endorse or support every single view of the creator to use it.

Nutomic's view is very misguided. The section of the bourgeouisie that expresses support for trans people often do so out of opportunism (though some probably genuinely support it They're human after all). The fact that transphobia is still rampant should be proof of the lack of an "agenda". And what is this agenda about anyways? Acceptance? Or are people really still thinking that there's a push to turn cis people trans the same way we have done the reverse since forever?

I've said before that I could add piefed support to Interstellar (it already had Lemmy and mbin support). The only thing I need is an api.

The only thing that surprises me is that anyone is surprised.

I don't intend that to be snarky, more jokey. But, yeah, it's pretty much common knowledge. Not the first time they've expressed unpleasant opinions on the subject, though not quite this bluntly. There was a minor kerfluffle over it not too long after the reddit exodus.

And it isn't unexpected tbh, that's a pretty bog standard tankie take, if perhaps a tad more trope filled.

To me, lemmy is kinda like a less important version of the Apollo missions. You put up with someone unpleasant because they can get the job done, until things get to the point it can be done without them. German scientists, tankie devs. Yeah, yeah, von Braun wasn't a "real" nazi; whatever.

At some point, either lemmy gets enough movement to get a less extreme team on board, it gets forked, or something else comes along.

I know that I shouldn't, but...

Off-topic: why Nutomic's comment is idiotic

It's a big false dichotomy.

As a class, the bourgeoisie only cares about staying in power. Everything else from its PoV is fluff, to be situationally used or opposed.

And that applies to the trans cause. The bourgeoisie is weakly opposed to trans rights because they get in the way of reproductive labour (trans people are less likely to have children, so they aren't pumping out as many new proletariats as cis people do). However that opposition is not strong enough to make the bourgeoisie ignore pink money, since pink money is still money and money is still power under capitalism.

It's also worth noting that the bourgeoisie doesn't just compete for power with the other two classes (proletariat and petit-bourgeoisie) - it also competes internally. And for that, different factions within the class will seek external support from different groups, and align their discourses to those.

In that situation, what do you expect to see? The bourgeoisie flinging back and forth between lip service towards LGBTQ+ people+communities, and a transphobic discourse. Rainbow-wash something today (it's a cheap and effective marketing tactic!), go transphobic tomorrow; business A plops up a trans flag, business B tears it down. Flush, repeat.

And, well, it's exactly what you see here.

I also encourage specifically Trotskyists to read this text, as it explains way better than I could how the transgender agenda and class struggle are not orthogonal in nature. (Stalinists: be warned that Sybil Davis rambles quite a bit against Stalinism.)

And... on a moral level, let's be frank - you need to be inconsistent like a puddle of jelly, to be a communist but not defend trans rights. At the end of the day, what a good communist should defend is freedom of oppression; and what are those LGBTQ+ activists saying, if not "we don't want to be oppressed based on gender, sex and sexuality"? It's all about human rights dammit.

On-topic: I think that the "forums side of the Fediverse" (nowadays mostly Lemmy and Kbin/Mbin) would benefit immensely from additional platforms; that's why I'm excited for projects like PieFed and SubLinks. I am grateful for the Lemmy software but I can't help but see the people in charge of the project as a liability.

And they would still be a liability even if they had any skill building a healthy community (they don't, they suck at it). Relying on a single platform is like putting all your eggs within the same basket, once that basket goes down everything breaks.

Happy with my current instance, but the urge to try out PieFed grows… would probably mean abandoning Mbin though and Mbin is already so tiny compared to Lemmy…

@xnx PieFed won’t have an app any time soon due to the way it’s implemented. It’s still awesome without a native app because it’s fast and doesn’t really need direct access to hardware to do its thing.

Tech detail: PieFed is a Python app using Flask and server-side rendered HTML templates. It is super fast as there’s no heavy Javascript framework being used. The maintainer has written about how PieFed is developed with poor internet connections in mind: https://piefed.social/post/6102

@fediverse

You cloud give mbin a try its developers are nice people :) Although there is only one app for it (interstellar)

I thought you mistyped PixelFed lol. Good to see there's another Lemmy clone like sublinks.

I think they're responding to a transphobic comment and not being transphobic themselves. I think they're addressing a far left, socially conservative conspiracy of saying "trans people r bourgeoisie inventions for culture wars to distract the public from the class war". This person is saying that this is a far fetched idea.

I'm correct in understanding this, right?

The bourgeoisie would only care about profits and maintaining their power, right? They'd be both pro-lgbtqia+ and anti-lgbtqia+ if it gets them profit and/or pushes attention away from their misuse of power.
Like selling Che Geuvara T-shirts, while running propaganda against him.

Or are they seeing transphobia as mainly a reaction of religion/conservativeness? Even then a part of the bourgeoisie would try to profit off them, right?

Or did they respond as such because they saw the bait-y bourgeoisie remark(there are screenshots of the convo in the comments there)?

Would be good to see their response other than a screenshot of one reply in their private message convo.

Woww wtf!!

Without context, that comment sounds ok to me?

So many things I'd have to look up to understand what's going on and why this is supposedly transphobic.

What bothers me more is private discussions being aired publicly.

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Bourgeoisie means the middle class, it's frustrating that term has become incorrectly popularized as "those in power" or "the upper crust".

Haha.

Next time someone asks me what Lemmy's like, I'll just refer them to this post.

"And see? That's my comment down here with the gif."

So, for context

this is one of admins of lemmy . ml.
that instance’s first rule is

No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.

This person is also one of the core devs of lemmy

Because, IMO, fedi drama is almost always overstated and overblown, especially when it comes to specific “incidents” … because we’ve gotten addicted to social media drama/rage …

I’ll provide my own impression without any context, pretending I’m a relevant moderator

it seems they’re challenging the notion that the same culture can be both pro-trans and anti-trans at the same time.
which seems superficial unless it’s about a specific incident
they seem to think that the Olympic boxer that’s caused an incident is actually born biologically male but is a trans female, and cite as much as proof that the west is not wholly anti-trans
my own impression is that the boxer being biologically male is mostly rumour and accusation, but I’m not close to the story at all and can understand how someone not following the olympics would conclude that they’re trans
without context I’m not sure I could conclude whether this is transphobic, at all actually.
Probably misinformed, but I’m also not informed on that issue, which also seems to be a moving “story”.
The user’s perspective is also relevant here, where being a known communist, they’re likely to think anything the west does is flawed and always boils down to class issues.
so given that it’s a sensitive topic, I’d follow up the comment with an attempt to frame the sensitivity of the issue and ask the author to consider editing their comment or reconsidering their stance just to flag the potentially transphobic reading of the comment.

Here’s the killer though … this seems like it’s a private message in response to a query … in which case I’m not sure there’s any moderation to be done and without more I’m not convinced this transphobic at all.

what if they are turned out to be like this or hate other set of people? lemmy by design is defederated so even if the devs are like this, you can just simply call out them or leave their lemmy server lol. i am sure there are trans friendly lemmy servers out here.

as long as lemmy by design is against any sorta people, you dont have to boycott it.