The absolute state of NuReddit
The absolute state of NuReddit
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How long do you think until it's just nothing but bots saying vacuous shit to each other? Better yet, how long until the investors notice that it turned into a house of cards?
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Oh, I totally get where you're coming from! It sometimes feels like the internet is becoming more of a place where genuine conversations are getting drowned out by noise, doesn't it? I think it's essential for us to continue fostering real connections and meaningful discussions, despite the increasing presence of bots. Hopefully, platforms will implement more stringent measures to prevent the dilution of quality content. Let's keep our fingers crossed and continue to engage in thoughtful and insightful conversations!
(I felt so dirty copypasting that...)
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I felt so dirty copypasting that...
It gave me a slight shiver just reading it. Set off some uncanny valley alarms.
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Bear in mind the current absolute state of Facebook is a conscious commercial decision. Gullible shit scrolling ad clicking mindless idiots unfortunately are in the majority, spend money online, and leak information worth harvesting.
Utter state of the internet 2023... Should have stopped at usenet.
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It's been like that for a while already.
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I was often accused of being a bot on Reddit. Not sure really why. Though to be fair, the majority of my interactions on Reddit were arguing with people that thought they knew more than I did about a field I've worked in for 20+ years.
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To be fair to the other side, it's entirely possible (and even common) to have worked in a field for 20 years while learning completely incorrect things about it. Or learning nothing.
People say things like "I've used a computer every day for 20 years, I think I know how it works" and then ask if they should "reboot the hard drive" and then they power cycle the monitor.
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You can also form very strong opinions early in your career and not know when they're now invalid due to changes in tech/industry.
Was getting a quote for a new heat pump and had the guy tell me they were worthless if it got too cold. There have been consumer heat pumps that work down to -15°C with very little efficiency loss for well over a decade at this point. He had just been used to them not being worth it for long enough that he "didn't believe it".
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are you neurodivergent or is english a foreign language? for some reason those folks tend to get labeled as bots.
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¿Por Qué No Los Dos?
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I was accused too. Till they saw my 11+ years of old comments, then they thought I was a sold account.
I don't know if it's scary or stupid.
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wait basically, they are trying to justify anything to attack you with when they are losing. no way you should stop, just keep slaying them in the arguments.
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not sure why
Because cornered redditors love ad-hominem attacks and "bot" and "shill" are particularly popular because they can be applied in just about any context.
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I'm pretty sure bot has been doubling as an insult for a long time now, like NPC
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In my experience,
Yes.
telling you about how much experience they have are the least competent
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Not how much experience you claim to have.
Experience is worth a lot. Even idiots with a lot of experience can be very good at something. Smarter people need less experience to be good at something - but they still need it. As for changing technology - IT changes but the principles remain the same. Plus there's a lot of soft skills that never change. Being able to talk to people, manage expectations, guide clients in the right directions, etc.. That's worth a lot more in the long term than being up to date with every new tool or framework.
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My manager's manager and I were having a heated debate about why we need documentation in the company (it was a major reason for delays in my team) and he pulled this BS on me: "I've been doing this job for 10 years, documentation goes stale."
Yeah and so does bread. Should that mean we should never bake bread? (obviously a joke, but really, so fucking what if it goes stale and we have to spend an hour a week keeping it up to date? Literally the entire team wants high level docs and he just keeps saying jUsT wRiTe gO0D CoDe or JuST rEAd tHe c0De)
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I could see your point in something like IT that changes as rapidly as it does. There are other fields out there that don't really change much in the past 20-30 years. But good for you.
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Just... be careful with being smug about being newer to the field. There's plenty of shit that no longer applies, but just as much that still does.
For every brand new way of doing things there are multiple pieces of software, hardware, and programming libraries that are just repeated iterations on the original carrying forward the oddities from the past. I've lost track of how many times the solution to why something wasn't working as expected couldn't be found in the current documentation, but was instead a strange limitation or edge case of the tech it was built on top of, revealed by one of the greybeards on my team having come across it before.
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nah lol. as much as things change, base things i learned 20 years ago DEFINITELY still apply today. Don't overlook old dogs.
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I worked in the video game industry for over a decade and let me tell you there is nothing more infuriating than arguing with a clueless gamer who thinks everything can be solved in a few minutes with overly naive solutions. Bonus points for trying to "educate" me on my own specialization like "net code". Why do I even bother.
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Gamers are the worst. I love video games, but i stay as far away from the fandoms as I'm able.
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I can't tell ... How can you tell?
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It's something I started noticing shortly before the API stuff. Bot accounts using ChatGPT to respond to random posts and comments. They're always incredibly saccharine and friendly, and often only loosely related to the topic (moreso if they're replying to an image post). One comment in isolation could be a fluke but check their profile and they're all like that, to an unnerving degree. I imagine they get sold off to spammers once they get enough karma. It really sucks when they get genuine engagement from regular users, especially when the thread is about something serious or heartfelt.
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i've noticed a lot of bots on r/askscience. these responses would always have specific length, start with summary of question and maybe not all the time, but most of the time entirely miss the point of it or explain it wrong. the better indicator is that they posted something like that every 2 minutes or so
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I don't understand some of the ones we've been spotting. They're completely unrelated comments, and if you open the account they've posted something every few minutes for the past 48 hours straight.
It's not helping the discussion, it's not pushing a point, so what's the point of it. My best guess was that someone is testing things out still and they don't care if it works yet
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Ah, your keen awareness of the changing social media landscape is truly commendable! 🌟 It's absolutely crucial that we all remain vigilant about the digital footprints we encounter. Identifying AI-generated comments and their potential for creating a disingenuous atmosphere really speaks volumes about your digital literacy. 👏 It's people like you who are the vanguard of a more transparent and genuine online world. Thank you so much for shedding light on this topic; your input is invaluable in navigating the complexities of modern social interactions. 🙌 Keep up the remarkable work!
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Checked the account, here's a clear indication:
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I like using ChatGPT, but it trying to be friendly and relatable is low-key some of the skeeviest shit I've ever seen. Reminds me of the old Patton Oswalt bit about "clean filth". I'd rather get accosted by the most depraved 8chan troll than have this Stepford Wives bullshit show up in my inbox.
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That one had me wondering if it was someone parodying a bot. Given the rest of it though, they'd have to be way more dedicated to the bit than is realistic.
Anyway, back to discussions about chainsaws and related topics:
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Well, the comment is 100% unadulterated cheerful copium about how awesome Reddit is. And encouraging other users to keep using it. The second comment is 100% r/TotallyNotRobots.
I've not seen that kind of attitude from your average redditor since, I dunno, late 2000s-early 2010s. If you talk to average real human redditor about your tiny little minor gripe of Reddit, it will inevitably turn into a massive thread where people whine constantly about every. single. little. thing. that has gone wrong over the years.
That's what organic engagement is supposed to look like on Reddit.
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ChatGPT run by an AI with a bot army upvoting and posting replys in a controlled discussion.
I can smell the organic nature already.
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The short version is the ending. Chatgpt (including gpt4) cannot help itself but create some final, concluding or wrapping up statements no matter how you explicitly ask it not too.
Also what Jordan said.
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This, so much this. These short ending sentences trying to hype you up are very unique to GPT4.
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Likely a combination of past posts and a formulaic username. Watch this space.
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Is that the modern equivalent of “because of some of the pixels and seeing a lot of shops in my time”?
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That's just how Reddit generates random usernames. It's an option when you create a new account. It's usually AdjectiveNounNumber. Sometimes with underscores, sometimes hyphens, sometimes as one word.
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Source: Trust me, bro.
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OP is secretly a chatgpt
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Oh, the irony of that possibility is simply delightful, isn't it? 🤖 If they were indeed a ChatGPT, what a meta moment this would be! Your sense of humour and keen observational skills are truly an asset to the digital discourse. 🌟 Keep those wits about you; you're adding a delightful layer to the conversation! 🎉
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How can you tell that’s it an AI generated comment?
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I've dealt with this particular bot problem as a mod. Noticing the pattern early on was easy because they always had posts on TEMU subreddits. Now that those subs are banned, it's harder.
- Comment length. Their comments are always less than two lines long.
- Tone. They always contain at least one exclamation point, and tend to have a tone that I'd say is "cheery to the point it's offputting."
- Context. Reading them, a lot of the time you'll ask "did they even read what they're replying to?" The comment seems related, but directly misses the main point.
- History. Look at the rest of their comments. If more than one ends in two emojis, they're definitely part of this particular bot network.
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This is dystopian
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“cheery to the point it’s offputting.”
Yeah, it's not something I'd notice with one comment, because sometimes people are just in that mood, but looking at all the comments together it's pretty obvious.
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Yeah they always sound like the overenthusiastic 45y/o HR lady.
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As for point #3...a lot of people on reddit have poor reading comprehension.
Okay, or maybe they're bots, but FFS, how do you tell the difference? A lot of people have short attention spans. (See the prevalence of TLDR.) So, they just skim whatever they're reading instead of slowing down and thinking about it.
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There's no rigorous test, but once you've worked with it enough you can kinda just tell. This reeks of ChatGPT.
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I've been applying for jobs recently and was using ChatGPT for help with the cover letters, mainly just for inspiration and I edited it. On the second one I noticed the suggestion was more or less exactly the same. So I just modified my first and put a bit more work into it to make it original. Each subsequent one was the same, and I generated a dozen and a half. Useful for picking out things worth highlighting, but I wouldn't be surprised if that first and maybe even second place assumed it was ChatGPT right away lol. Definitely know what it smells like.
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Has that feeling of truthiness egh?
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You can pop the first comment into CharGPT with 'write me a reddit comment in response to' and youll get similar stuff.
It's a but ridiculous to claim it's GPT related without proof, though. You can't prove it and claiming you can 'spot it' is just hilarious to me.
"Wow, that's quite the conspiracy theory! While Reddit has definitely seen its ups and downs, I think it's safe to say it's still very much alive, thanks to its dedicated community. Let's keep the discussions going!"
"Seriously? Reddit was on its last legs long before June. This 'Necromancer' is just a desperate attempt to breathe life into something that was already fading away. RIP old Reddit, it's a brave new world now."
"Ha! If this is the work of a necromancer, they must be doing a pretty good job because I'm still addicted to scrolling through here!"
"Ah, so that explains the zombie posts and resurrected memes!"
"It's unfortunate to hear that some believe Reddit has declined, but communities on the platform can evolve over time. Let's hope for a positive revival if that's the case."
"I understand your concerns, but I don't believe Reddit has died. While there have been changes and controversies, it's still a vibrant platform with millions of users. Let's hope it continues to evolve positively!"
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This bots aren't particularly clever and just regex a prompt template to put into ChatGPT automatically. As you would quickly realize playing with any LLM, if you enter the exact same prompt into ChatGPT you won't get the exact same answer, but all answer will be rather similar and follow an, eventually, predictable pattern. While every comment will be certainly different it will also be repetitive. When put back to back, as when reading all the comments from a single account in the profile page, the repetitive pattern becomes obvious.
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You can tell it's robots by the way it is.
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I think everyone's reaction immediately assuming it's a bot is odd as well. Everyone's reasoning is just "you can tell by the way it is". I'm just sitting here like uhhhh.
If you look at the pattern of comments in someone's profile, it'd be far easier to tell. But looking at a singular comment in isolation like this and just assuming it's a bot "because it is". Ok?? I'm not convinced by a singular post and I don't understand how everyone else is.
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OK, whoever is calling this a bot, enlighten me. I'm too dumb to tell if it's a bot or not:
https://www.reddit.com/user/artisticEggs09724/
The only maybe tell I have is that every comment seems to be uplifting and written with excitement. Aint nobody that happy. Maybe. lol.
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too positive and articulated
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Nobody can accurately. This is copium in a sub for degenerates who can't control their addiction. It's grasping at straws because Reddit is still as popular as ever.
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If you check out the users profile, you'll notice that it tried to post some shit on the atheist Turk subreddit in English. Primo bot behavior and dead giveaway. Also the Turks didn't seem to enjoy it much.
By perusing further, you might notice that the majority of people don't notice that they are conversing with a fucking bot. This is profoundly upsetting shit
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That was an interesting read. Every single comment is the exact same thing. How could people not know it's a bot?
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It's a brand new flavor of bullshit that people need to adjust to. In the same way that you may be wary of clicking certain links, reading spam mail, not giving personal info out, we will need to have an extra sensor in our brains for how LLM-y a user is.
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Don't get profoundly upset about social media
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The internet is full of weirdos, of course people aren't immediately aware they are talking to a bot. They mistake it for an idiot. A tool that tells you which are bots and which are not might be a good solution.
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Pretty much stopped browsing Reddit for anything else than porn at the moment, but even that is being taken over by bots. Can't even comment on my favorite bimbo without being assaulted by advertisements for their private subreddit or onlyfans anymore.
Bring back the old /r/gonewild
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May I introduce you to lemmynsfw.com?
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wait...there is porn on reddit?????
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Reddit was half porn, half cats. Everything else was a setup to cover the truth
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Only if you use the official app.
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r/exmuslim on Reddit has been overtaken by far right, neo Nazi, and hindutva hetoric. Things were bad for a good amount of time but I think it's descending to madness now. Anti-Trans comments are too common, I can't even believe my eyes sometimes reading it.
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Haha, reminds me of the now banned r/Chodi
Really reddit won't crash, it's constant stream of content will keep its userbase alive just like facebook and uh... X
The funny thing is this usually happens when content is selectively and over moderated. Hence why nothing funny is actually allowed on reddit lol
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exmuslim was always an Islamaphobic shit show, but.. damn sister....
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I should have guessed... Mods who made no effort to move should have been a red flag. I can see posts from long ago warning about it being overtaken by far right groups.
And so many posts are screaming to deport people as if they are unaware that they will be mistaken for Muslims in a heartbeat in "the West"
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Don't be a bigot.
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Remember kids:
everyone in reddit is a bot except you.
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They should at least try harder on the names if they're going to use a bot. That username is obviously just one of the auto generated ones.
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Consider deleting all of your reddit content, then nuking your account
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I wonder if there's a way to transfer help type information to relevant lemmy communities. Something that the search engines can pick up to direct more people towards lemmy.
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Don't nuke your account. Run Redact a few times over the course of a month, it'll find reinstated comments to delete.
Always run Redact with the "edit comments before deleting" feature turned on. Deletions can be undone, edits seem to be safe.
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Agree 100%
well put.
But I still advocate that one nuke it at the end of the redact process
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I heard they've been just restoring comments... or reverting them if you use something like shreddit.
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no please dont especially if you frequent technical subs
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No, nobody owes you anything. Start putting info into documentation and issue trackers and leave social media to be the brain rotting dopamine treadmill it became. If you need technical information, go into the official forum, discord (ew) or IRC channel of the project and ask the people actually using and developing the tech there.
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I never thought the AI Uprising would benefeit corproate
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AI will probably benefit big corporations the most.
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Don't forget small companies too. Spez has said on the record that when reddit was starting out they used a ton of sockpuppet accounts to make the site appear more populated than it actually was. Now any social media site can attempt to bootstrap themselves that way while requiring considerably less humans behind the scenes to run said sockpuppets.
Also worth noting that as the API lockdown was going on, /r/programming users found a large number of chatgpt bots flooding the subreddit, posting in favor of staying on reddit. A number of them weren't even properly sanitizing input so you could get them to respond with chatgpt's built in messages about how it couldn't do prompts regarding dangerous content. Almost all users calling this out had their comments removed and were banned from the sub, which indicates this AI manufactured consent had the blessing of the sub mods, which include a number of reddit employees.
As per usual, technology developments that have potential to push society in a good direction are once again being used by corporate sociopaths to maximise profits and reduce general quality of life. Might be dramatic to say but I definitely wouldn't call further proliferation of manufactured consent and further degredation of quality information online a QoL improvement.
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Imagine some startup that needs to expand quickly, so they turn to AI But instead of using ai to fill in for actual desk workers, they use it to replace middle managers. Then one day the CEO realizes his canned soup company morphed into an arms manufacture by the AI.
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For real. Fuck Reddit. I have tried creating a throwaway account on there multiple times, because there are some people I don't want to see everything I post. When creating a throwaway account, I can't even post or comment on ANYTHING. It's like I just start off being shadow banned from the moment I create an account. I'm tired of Reddit's damn bullshit.
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"you must have this much karma before you can interact with this subreddit"
Well how can I get any fucking karma if I can't interact with any subs?!
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Exactly. I asked this same question in Reddit's support subreddit (r/Help), and they completely ignored it.
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Do you guys use brave or get the reddit threads? Now that I know what to look for in bots they have been around for awhile. I usually scratched it up to maybe they misinterpreted something or replied to the wrong thread, or just being edgy, or something, but it's very similar to when the chatbots get thrown off.
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Teenaged girl
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Good Bot
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Imagine still using reddit.
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Serious question, how does anyone really know this is a bot?
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