Classic rock hate thread
Classic rock hate thread
I actually like a lot of classic rock (yes even Hotel California, that solo kicks ass) but there is a lot of bad classic rock too. What do you think the worst classic rock song is? What is the most overrated band or artist? I think Supertramp is mid at best, but Bob Seeger is truly dreadful.
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I like a lot of the stuff but the 2 minute chorus lines and the "end the song by way of a minute long fade out" is grating.
That said I see a lot of use of the word "overrated" in this thread. [Band] isn't overrated, you just don't like them. Like I don't like Bruce Springsteens music, but there's a reason why he's called The Boss.
The absolute worst is when the ending is the clear best part of the song, but the band doesn't know how to end it so they just fade it out. Fading out the climax of the song! Wtf
Also, and this is more a 70s/80s thing, very long solos in a song that's more of a dance bop. I am specifically looking at you Ian Dury and your song "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick"
Looking at you Sunglasses at Night. I only recently discovered that there's a version that includes the full guitar solo, but that never gets radio play
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If it doesn't have a six minute long drum solo 75 seconds in to a three minute long song I don't want it.
"Hey kids wanna hear me make my guitar go weeeoweoweeeeooo for about two minutes"
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"Wanna hear me do it again?"I am a solo hater
[Band] isn't overrated, you just don't like them.
that's literally what overrated means
It literally doesn't. You can like something and still find it overrated, you can dislike something and find it underrated. These words refer to your view of the broader cultural valuation of something, not your personal tastes.
Saying "I don't like ramen" isn't the same as saying "ramen is overrated"
yes, it does. to say something is overrated is to acknowledge that the consensus is x and that you don't believe that it should be because you think that the majority of people have misjudged the thing in question as being better than it is. in other words, that you don't like it as much as most people.
just because you don't like the word "overrated' doesn't mean you can just define it out of existence lol
To say something is overrated is to acknowledge that the consensus is x and that you don't believe that it should be because you think that the majority of people have misjudged the thing in question as being better than it is.
Yeah, that's not the same as disliking something. Just because both words indicate some negative quality doesn't mean they have same meaning. I also disagree about it being "better than it is". Overrated can refer to a lot of things - How important something is, how good it is, how influential it is, how approachable it is, and so on and so forth.
just because you don't like the word "overrated' doesn't mean you can just define it out of existence lol.
I don't think the word is overrated, I just think it's underrated to actually use the words for what they mean. Its overrated to use the word overrated when what you mean is that you don't like something.
"I like breaking bad, but I do think it's overrated" is a completely normal sentence.
in what context would you find it applicable to call something "overrated" if you don't believe that word is applicable when you're saying that you think a thing that is broadly considered to be good is actually bad? because I genuinely cannot conceive of another context in which the word "overrated' could be accurately used. from my perspective you sound like you've invented a completely incomprehensible topic to argue about because you think the word "overrated" sucks and it makes you feel superior to people who use it. it would be like if i suddenly decided that your use of the word "negative" is invalid, actually the only valid use of the word "negative" is the photography related noun, the word you mean to use is "bad"
saying that you think a thing that is broadly considered to be good is actually bad?
That's not what you're saying when you're saying something is overrated. By your own definition you are saying it isn't as good as people say it is. By my definition it is saying something is less of a certain positive quality than people say it is. Neither of these definitions are the same as saying something is bad.
you think the word "overrated" sucks.
Who is the one inventing arguments here? I've never said the word overrated sucks and I have already answered this point in my previous reply.
it makes you feel superior to people who use it.
I feel like you're projecting a lot of negative assumptions on to me based on nothing.
it would be like if i suddenly decided that your use of the word "negative" is invalid, actually the only valid use of the word "negative" is the photography related noun.
Except for the fact that "overrated" isn't a synonym for "I don't like it" or "bad".
in what context would you find it applicable to call something "overrated"
You got an example at the very first thing I posted: "I don't like Bruce Springsteens music, but there is a reason he's called The Boss". I don't see why you're saying you can't fathom any sayings, when that's right there. Here's two more anyway.
"I like falafel, but I think it's overrated. So many people say it's their favourite food, which, like, it's good, but it's not that good"
"I know it's wayyy overrated, but my favourite series is Breaking Bad. It's not groundbreaking or anything, but I still like it."
These are completely rational sentences.
I've never said the word overrated sucks
That was my genuine good-faith interpretation of your comments. When I tried engaging in a discussion with you about those comments to understand them, you gave me word salad such as, "I don't think the word is overrated, I just think it's underrated to actually use the words for what they mean. Its overrated to use the word overrated when what you mean is that you don't like something." instead of actually talking to me like a person.
and I have already answered this point in my previous reply.
No, your comment ended with the aforementioned word salad and then you edited in normal language after I had already responded.
Now that you have edited your comments to include coherent sentences, I understand what your argument is now. You have come into a thread in which people are calling things overrated (worse than commonly considered to be) and you have arbitrarily decided that they don't mean that at all and that instead they mean that those things are good but not to their taste. I think that is arrogant and inappropriate and I think you should knock it off.
I am entirely familiar with the concept of liking things that you consider to be bad and disliking things you consider to be good. However, colloquially liking something and considering it to be good is strongly correlated, to the point that they are typically synonymous. That's why when I (and you, no doubt) talk about stuff that you like but think is bad, you say as much explicitly. To simply say "I like this" would imply to any rational audience that you think it is good. You have to qualify the disconnect which occasionally occurs between things that are bad and things that aren't to your taste. Even though it is a commonly understood concept in our culture (fast food is a common example where it comes up) it is still expected that you qualify when there is a disconnect between quality and enjoyment.
So, when I said that "that is literally what overrated means" I was referring to this colloquial understanding where things you like are also things you consider good, and things you don't like are things you consider bad. If I say with no qualification that I don't like KISS then you will understand that I think they're not a good band, and if I want you to understand something different then I would say I don't like KISS but... [some hypothetical qualification here, maybe someday a scientist will discover something that could be considered good about KISS]
I did not understand when I wrote that comment that what you were actually saying was that you had decided that the people in this thread naturally understand the genius of Rock and Roll All Nite but aren't fans of the rock genre. If I had understood that I would have simply asked, who the fuck are you to decide that for other people?
When I tried engaging in a discussion with you about those comments to understand them.
Starting off with a curt one-sentencer isn't really an invitation to have a discussion, most certainly not a good faith one. Following it up with unfounded assumptions doesn't really improve it. For the next time I recommend asking a question related to the thing you want to "investigate" instead.
you gave me word salad such as, "I don't think the word is overrated, I just think it's underrated to actually use the words for what they mean. Its overrated to use the word overrated when what you mean is that you don't like something." instead of actually talking to me like a person.
- I did actually talk to you like a person. I talked to you like I talk to someone who is being hostile and condescending, which you are, but I talked to you like a person. I didn't just give you a word salad, and saying I did furthers my feeling that this conversation hasn't been in good faith.
- If we go with your assertion that "overrated" = bad/disliking, then that makes perfect sense. It's only a word salad because that assertion is wrong. I used that "word salad" to explain as an example.
No, your comment ended with the aforementioned word salad and then you edited in normal language after I had already responded.
I edit almost all my commens after I post them, to make the language clearer, which I, for some reason, find much easier after posting. However I stopped adding to the comments after you responded and each example was present before you responded. I've deleted a few sentences, fixed some formatting and added one byline after your response (and then this sentence here now).
Now that you have edited your comments to include coherent sentences, I understand what your argument is now.
You're being very hostile and condescending and I do not understand why. The responses were coherent before you responded as well. You've gotten your questions answered, but you choose to pretend you haven't in order to further an argument which you instill with increasingly aggressive language. I feel as though quite a lot of unfounded negativity is being projected onto me, and I do not appreciate it. I think you should log off.
I'm not going to read the rest of your response, because I can see you're going to continue this shitty behaviour.Wait so I wrote out a long, thorough, serious comment laying out in good faith everything I understood about the conversation, our inability to understand each other, and what I was trying to get across in the first place and then went to bed. And then you come buy and go "I'm not reading all that, touch grass
" and apparently I'm the one who gets my comment removed for "bad faith" lmaogod the mods on this site fucking suck dude
Yeah that's definitely what happened.
Being reductive about the other persons position, ignoring arguments and being a hostile and condescending asshole is how you have a good faith discussion. I'm definitely the one who started pulling smuglord stuff, I'm not at all responding in kind. You are a victim of unreasonable modding and a victim of me being super duper mean for no reason at all. You're just a widdle guy asking good faith questions.I'm disappointed honestly. I didn't want to block you because I enjoy a lot of what you post, but this is just getting too much. Own up to being an asshole or at the very least engage with the basic reality that I have a very good reason not to think of this as a "good faith discussion" due to the reasons I've already given you. It sucks that you suck this much. Blocked and also cum
I like Breath of the Wild but I also think it's easy overrated.