Disney Seeking Dismissal of Raglan Road Death Lawsuit Because Victim Was Disney+ Subscriber
Disney Seeking Dismissal of Raglan Road Death Lawsuit Because Victim Was Disney+ Subscriber
Disney has asked a Florida court to dismiss a wrongful death lawsuit filed earlier this year regarding a woman who passed away due to anaphylaxis after a meal at Disney Springs, citing an arbitration waiver in the terms and conditions for Disney+. Disney Springs Wrongful Death Lawsuit Update
cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/16155215
Disney has asked a Florida court to dismiss a wrongful death lawsuit filed earlier this year regarding a woman who passed away due to anaphylaxis after a meal at Disney Springs, citing an arbitration waiver in the terms and conditions for Disney+.
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In the latest update for the Disney Springs wrongful death lawsuit, Disney cited legal language within the terms and conditions for Disney+, which “requires users to arbitrate all disputes with the company.” Disney claims Piccolo reportedly agreed to this in 2019 when signing up for a one-month free trial of the streaming service on his PlayStation console.
In the May 31 motion filed to move the wrongful death lawsuit to arbitration, Disney attorneys said that the Disney+ subscriber agreement states that any dispute, except for small claims, “must be resolved by individual binding arbitration.”
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Attorneys for Piccolo called Disney’s latest motion “preposterous,” and that it’s “‘absurd’ to believe that the 153 million subscribers to the popular streaming service have waived all claims against the company and its affiliates because of language ‘buried’ within the terms and conditions,” according to Newsday.
The notion that terns agreed to by a consumer when creating a Disney+ free trial account would forever bar that consumer’s right to a jury trial in any dispute with any Disney affiliate or subsidiary, is so outrageously unreasonable and unfair as to shock the judicial conscience, and this court should not enforce such an agreement.
Brian Denny, Piccolo’s West Palm Beach attorney in a filing on August 2, 2024
Wow, just... wow. Can you be any more evil?
We really need to strike down this arbitration agreement nonsense. If I want to resolve a dispute by arbitration, that should be an option, but never a requirement.
It's also a great example why these mega corps should be broken up into smaller pieces.
If forced arbitration persists (and this argumentation from Disney is successful and then used as precedence) any service used from one company can be used to forever ban you from taking legal action against that company again even if the service and the reason for the legal action have nothing to do with each other.
Am I right in understanding that this case is about someone dying from eating in a Disney owned restaurant that by accident was a Disney+ subscriber?
If one company owns everything like Amazon, Google, Apple and in the future maybe even water supply, garbage collection, operates my car and is my insurer or bank account (and owner of one of the 4 remaining fast food chains in the country) how can people actually sue a company then ?
Arbitration isn't inherently bad, but any arbitration clause in any unilateral contract should automatically be void.
And certainly not binding arbitration.
Forced Arbitration should absolutely be illegal. Here's an article on the topic if you've never thought about it before:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3986551-the-time-to-ban-forced-arbitration-is-now/
This should be what finally starts the push to ban mandatory arbitration clauses.
This should be what finally starts the push to guillotine the upper management of Disney but I guess we've got to take whatever we can get.
I gotta say it's refreshing to have a place to post where this kind of comment isn't immediately deleted and the user IP banned like Reddit
Bring with it a big expansion in the number of federal judges. They already have an overloaded case schedule. The Supremes have made this worse in their ruling against Chevron Deference, as every regulation a corp doesn't like can now be challenged. One of the reasons judges have let these clauses go through is because it relieves the case burden on them.
Something like quadrupling the size was justified even before Chevron went down or we talk about things that would bring even more cases.
The notion that terns agreed to by a consumer when creating a Disney+ free trial account would forever bar that consumer’s right to a jury trial in any dispute with any Disney affiliate or subsidiary, is so outrageously unreasonable and unfair as to shock the judicial conscience, and this court should not enforce such an agreement.
Not that I'm condoning piracy, but pirates don't have to deal with this crap. Just sayin'. This situation is basically the plot of the Cent-iPad episode of South Park, and hopefully the courts strike this "defense" down with prejudice.
And since the FTC found its teeth, maybe it should look at the behemoth that Disney has been allowed to become; they own way too many media properties.
Sorry to hear you aren't condoning piracy. Wish we could convince you to support us. In many ways we are the good guys. When was the last time you saw a pirate kill someone and send their family a hey fuck you notice?
Last week, but that asshole had it coming!
While I agree, where should it stop?
Just by getting into new cars you agree to their TOS. Buying a new phone, using internet services/websites, etc. You almost can't breath without agreeing to one TOS or another. We need this shit to stop and local laws are the only way I see out of it.
At they very least, the TOSs need to be limited in scope to just the product or service specifically used by the customer. Having them be written or interpreted so broadly as to encompass anything the company does, in any business unit, should be unenforceable (and ideally illegal).
And also granular: If I don't agree to Google or Microsoft phoning my activity back to the mothership, then those "feature" should be disabled without preventing me from using the device I paid for.
Not that I’m condoning piracy,
We should all condone
piracysharing.I condone piracy, and you should too.
Not an American... But holy crap... If Disney succeeds with this... then ... E-v-e-r-y single service will have a clause like "you hereby agree to never ever take legal action against us, our subsidiaries, cookie partners, affiliates, our friend's dog or Bob for anything we might or might not have caused in the next 2 billion years if we don't give you permission.".
I'm happy that I'm living in the European Union av and not in Florida.
they already kind of do over here. this case is going to set precedent for how broadly enforceable they are.
That's already very common and should be shut down, but usually it applies to the particular service you are using... Not whatever this bullshit is...
Car TOCs here already include consent for any passenger...insane.
I believe that's treated as a matter of common sense, that getting into a car comes with an understanding of the inherent risks. Cars also have a couple "risk of injury or death" stickers in them, under the visors or on the door.
Similar laws exist for horses, to protect horse owners from litigation when someone falls off a horse. I think you only need a single sign for indemnification.
To clarify, this isn't comparable to the fucked up thing Disney is doing.
Pirate everything, then you don't have to sign any TOS
taps head
Best ad for piracy in a while. It not only lets you consume media how ever you'd like it also preserves your ability to be compensated for damages.
"Disney understandably may want to benefit from the privacy and confidentiality that arbitration brings, rather than having a wrongful death suit heard in public with the associated publicity," says Jamie Cartwright, partner at law firm Charles Russell Speechlys.
-- from the BBC article
If that's what they want, they clearly never heard of the Streisand Effect. This is disgraceful behaviour from Disney, and I hope they come to severely regret it.
Narrator: they won’t.
People always act surprised when I say I hate Disney. This type of shit is exactly why.
If this exact thing was a villain plot in a Disney film, it would be laughed as being unrealistically evil.
There are so many great reasons to hate on Disney. This one is so incredibly over the top.
would forever bar that consumer’s right to a jury trial in any dispute with any Disney affiliate or subsidiary, is so outrageously unreasonable and unfair as to shock the judicial conscience
Agree 100%
But why weren't all Americans up on the fences against such conditions during recent years?
As an American there are several factors that weigh in situations like this:
- Legal language is a foreign and difficult language to grasp and understand. That’s why lawyers go to school for as long as they do. Yet, citizens are expected to understand it as if it were plain English. So a lot of us don’t read or understand what we’re agreeing to; especially when it’s 10-s of pages long.
- Out of sight and out of mind. Unless it happens to us personally, there really is no incentive for us to do anything about it. It’s as, I know, but we’ve been cultivated as a culture with its head in the sand. Hell, even our constitutional right to peaceful protest has been all but stripped away from us.
- Financial barriers. It is expensive to fight legal battles, most especially against huge corporations like Disney. A lot of lawyers demand a lot of money up front, and getting our day in court to take years. Corporations can afford to stall. Is plebs can barely afford the initial consult. So unless it’s something considered “in the bag”, it’s probably not financially feasible.
There was a big push a few months ago, a year ago, who knows, Internet time is weird, when McDonald's updated their terms of service on their app and added a clause like this. There were a lot of posts on social media, Reddit, fedi, etc to make sure people didn't agree to the new terms or download the app if they never had it.
There are people that pay attention to it, and even research papers done on it. A lot of the common apps started doing it at the same time. Venmo has it, Pinterest, Facebook, etc. things you wouldn't think of that would have cases like this. But certain ones stick out because of the seemingly more real world complications (I mean, venmo could have fraud, Facebook could have cyber bullying, etc), but McDonald's could have health issues, Disney clearly this is the case.
shit, many people have their business and income tried to Facebook now. Facebook is constantly getting sued by small businesses after random stupid bullshit that takes them offline for a week.
But why weren’t all Americans up on the fences against such conditions during recent years?
You're talking about a state that openly supports genocide. I don't think people are paying much attention to anything.
I don't think people are paying much attention to anything.
But right now they are telling each other that this would be a vote...
This is atrocious. Coincidentally Disney is planing to open a park themed with villains. Seems like they can save time and money by renaming the whole place Villain's World.
I've been a few times in my younger years but have zero desire as an adult. Sure they have some nice rides and attractions but the Disney culture is a huge turnoff to me, as are the very high prices of everything there. If I were to take a vacation that costs similar I'm off to a national park or maybe international travel. I prefer real culture over fantasy land.
My jaw dropped after the first paragraph. What the fuck is this?
Now I'm worrying that some terms of service I aggreed maybe 10 years ago and that might still apply to me. Also, worry that will I be forced into arbitration because I visit a website and the term of servicr have a forced arbitration clause. This would be a nightmare scenario. Imagine Disney claims that because I visited their website (or the cookie prompt), I have agreed to forced arbitration.
Send certified mail to every service you can think of that you have done business with asking to know what active contracts you have with them. Put together a big paper trail.
They either tell you what contracts you are bound to, and you can work on legally releasing yourself from those contracts, they tell you that you have no contracts with them and they can never claim otherwise from that point backward, or they never respond at all, and you can point out in court that they refused to answer questions about your contractual obligations, and therefore you can't be bound by them.
There's no way a judge is gonna allow this. Outrageous. The language is way out of scope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8jl0ekjr0go
Disney adds that Mr Piccolo accepted these terms again when using his Disney account to buy tickets for the theme park in 2023.
Between that and the Florida judge I’m a bit worried. Fuck forced arbitration.
Back in high school I performed in the chorus at a Christmas concert at Disney World. Prior to doing it, I had to sign away my right to my image and voice "in perpetuity and throughout the universe."
Now I'm wondering if that all still applies and taking selfies means I could get sued by Disney.
Nah, the funniest part about all of this isn't that their using the disney+ STREAMING TERMS OF SERVICE to get out of liability for murdering some poor lady by disregarding her repeated stated allergies, let's say you can fit those mental gymnastics into your world view - what you can't do, is use your DISNEY+ gift cards at FUCKING DISNEY LAND OR DISNEY WORLD.
because it's all the same system, if the TOS for the streaming service APPLY AT THE FUCKING THEME PARK, that shit don't make no sense.
And strangely the gift card thing has come up multiple times.
Hopefully the judge is overwhelmed by disgust from a movement like this, since binding arbitration has only served as a means to deny consumers access to judicial remedies. It should never have been an option in the first place.
Curiously, the whole point of having justice and arbitration systems is to prevent parties from resorting to violence for vengeance. It's why, in the four boxes of freedom, the ammunition box follows the jury box.
Even if he did, the SCOTUS precedents lean heavily in favor of forced arbitration. Which will likely be Christian as well because they use a flavor of Christianity that believes the wealthy are blessed by God and the poor are poor because they're not good Christians. Almost like forced arbitration was a ruse from the word go.
By continuing to display Disney advertisements on my computer and within my field of vision after September 1st, 2024, Disney hereby waives all right to force binding arbitration just because someone signed up for a free trial.
(Oh and also brings jurisdiction to British Columbia, or anywhere there isn't a sizeable portion of numbnut judgets who would entertain the stupid argument Disney is making.)
Disney: “You stepped on a crack, we’re legally allowed to break your mamma’s back.”
This just has all the hallmarks of absurdist fuckery from the last 20 years.
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Money is political speech
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Your employer's religious freedom trumps yours
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Self defence was added to the second amendment in crayon
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The evisceration of the Voting Rights Act
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Prosecutors may enjoy immunity from lying in court
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Standing doesn't actually matter
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Presidents may enjoy immunity for anything they do
(Anywhere it's a may instead of shall, we all know it's conservatives being protected. It doesn't apply to democratic prosecutors and presidents)
So coming soon, eternal and universal Terms of Service. Which won't become a dark phrase at all. Our employers will offer us everything from housing to food and we'll accept it to keep from having to sign TOS with Kroger's, a slum lord, Ford, Microsoft, and Netflix.
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BananaMickey mouse republicI wonder if you could send Disney a huge pile of legal demands well in advance, say something like "By accepting me as a Disney+ customer, The Walt Disney Company Agrees to all terms herein", then sign up for an account and just show up at Disney HQ and start running the place because they signed over executive control to you by letting you sign up.
Bring the lawyers in and mutiny the place. "The moment my account was activated, I became the legal CEO of The Walt Disney Company. Now get this Bob Iger fucker out of my goddamn office!"
You signed a newer agreement to arbitrate everything in Mickey Court, where a cast member in a Mickey Mouse suit slams a gavel and announces "Disney wins!" So no, not really.
Not if my contract specifically invalidates theirs.
Given that Disney's history with litigation and human rights is pretty vile, I am not terribly surprised by this.
In case people forgot that they are just as evil as Desantis. EDIT: lol at people downvoting me as if having a few LBGTQ people in their movies makes them suddenly the good guy as they edit them out for the brutal dictatorships they kowtow too. Disney is as liberal as Trump is Christian and if you don't see that you are every bit as blind as any trumper.