But why master and slave would be a problem to begin with.
I'm still using it in git.
I think people that have problem with it must have serious issues.
It's a US American thing. Makes no sense.
Primary/secondary means they're all doing their thing, but one is preferred. There's no instruction going on between them
If you have a primary and secondary web servers, you'll use the primary first, but the secondary or secondaries are a fallback
If you have a primary and secondary drive, you have two drives, one of which is more important (probably because you booted from it). The secondary could be a copy or just another drive, either way the OS or a raid controller is managing it, one drive doesn't manage another
Similarly, we have dispatch/worker- the difference between that and master/slave is that they're different things. A master should be able to work without a slave, and a slave should be capable of being promoted to master - a dispatcher can't do the work and the worker can't take over if the dispatch goes down
The funny thing is we don't use master/slave much anymore, the whole premise is that the slave doesn't start to do what it does when it starts up. I can't think of any examples of it in the past decade - other paradigms, with a different relationship and a different name, have replaced it
Remember when we thought being overly politically correct to absurd levels was a bad thing? That said, Dom/Sub, I'd be down for that. Same meaning, different wording, and now it's also a sex reference.
Oh man, wait till they hear about how I riced both my master and slave servers. I threw so many RGB LEDs on them, they look like recipients of a Fukoshima clown bukkake.
I personally think the whole backlash against master/slave in the computing world is people looking for something in their sphere of knowledge to be offended about so they can feel like they are part of "a movement". Even if some mustache twirling racist was the first "computer guy" to come up with the term and meant it to be offensive, that is not how sane people view it today. So some of the advocates for changing it should stop trying to build it up into some Pizzagate-like conspiracy against black/brown people.
Having said that, I also don't have any strong attachments to the phrasing either. Phase it out in favor of something that makes everyone happy if that keeps the peace. It is just a term that made sense at the time to describe something. There is nothing stopping us from changing it to something else now if we so choose. It is not erasing heritage or some such nonsense. If anything, people having strong hangups about it if there are better or equally as good terms out there that doesn't make people uncomfortable is far weirder in my opinion.
The only thing I have somewhat strong opinions about is making it some high priority to go back and erase those terms from solutions that already exist. Change them as you update things, sure, but why create extra work to update something old that is currently working if the only change is not functional and just verbiage. Seems like wasted effort that could be better directed and solving functional issues to me.
well, i didn't know that computer hardware could be consenting and engaged with with the BDSM community at large.
Personally i just like master/slave because it's really fucking obvious how things are supposed to work. Outside of that there are some more specific terminologies that work better in specific applications. Leader follower is pretty cringe, but mostly gets the point across. Main and sub is already established lingo in the electrical field from what i understand.
If it’s referring to something like a mother/daughter circuitboard, I’ll use that. If it’s a host/client connection, I’ll use that. If it’s a primary/backup redundancy situation, I’ll use that. And those are just a few examples. There is rarely a good reason to use master/slave nowadays, since most situations already have better descriptors to begin with.
I've switched over to using primary/replica for database stuff because it's more accurate. The replicas don't always behave themselves so calling them "slaves" implies a level of obedience to the "master" that they don't have.
A post-doc that occasionally taught one of my electrical engineering classes in the mid-90s liked to call master-slave flip-flops professor-graduate student flip-flops. I later learned he was not making a joke.
No it doesn't sound bad, words don't need to be thrown away forever just because they've been used to describe unfair treatment. I'm so sick of having to relabel so many things that are so far divorced from the social issues they are used to describe. It's so pointless and has no impact, the code doesn't care which is master and which is the slave for they are simply descriptive labels.
Are we supposed to never use the words master or slave ever again?? What's next?
My dev friends, no matter their race, all say the exact same thing. We still use master over main, come at us I guess.
y'all I understand there are larger issues in the world but please let's not pretend that POC working in tech feel awesome about typing master/slave in the terminal, it's outdated and should be changed.
It only sounds bad to the fringest of the fringe that's deceivingly loud on twitter. Good luck trying to find even one real person thinking those terms should be changed. This kind of stuff is why people vote for Trump.
Until proven otherwise, I assume either ignorance or malicious intentions by those who want to rename these "problematic" terms. It does nothing to improve the actual issues.
The false pretense of having done something, is worse than doing nothing. It's just noise.
To be clear: I don't mind the changing of terms. I'm too old to care about trivial stuff like main vs master. But if the reasoning for such a change is dumb and potentially harmful, you've lost my respect.
no please stop, i'm so tired of googling kinky stuff, seeing a spicy looking result and opening it just to see some computer server stuff pick something else idk maybe capitalist & worker, bonus points for political commentary
I've seen 'Active / Passive' used, that seems alright. There's plenty of alternative terms to use without borrowing terminology from sexual roleplay.
Anyway, the Sub is supposed to be the one that's actually in control for this kind of thing (otherwise you'd just be in an abusive relationship), so that confuses things when you start trying to applying it elsewhere.
I'm a developer. I use main/release/dev for new projects, because it just sounds better and is more intuitive to me honestly. "Master" doesn't make much sense. Like what's so "master" about a "master branch"? It's just the main branch everything gets merged into. It doesn't "control" branches. There's no "master/slave" relationship there. So again, "master" was never really intuitive to me.
Old projects don't get relabeled, they stay master, cause relabeling the main branch could cause potential problems. That's my two cents.
Master/slave is fine main is better in other cases (I prefer main branch as it makes more sense). I've seen some reasonable arguments here and there but I feel most of the time it's just people arguing to make them feel like they are actually doing something to fix a problem (they are not)
I remember back in the late 90s being in college. I brought my girlfriend to class one day. She raised her hand after the professer was explaining Master/Slave roles. Keep in mind, I'm white. She's black. She's not enrolle
d in this class AT ALL.
So the professer sees this, and says "Yes, you there, girl I've never seen in 4 months of this class"
And all she said was "Master and Slave drives? That sounds sexy!"
Eh it's just words and they are more common than just computers every time I work on my cars I sometimes might have to bleed the slave cylinder or fill the master cylinder when doing brake work
For IDE drives, Master/Slave is both correct and describes properly the functionality.
Only one device can talk on an IDE channel at a time (one IDE ribbon cable is one channel). The Slave Drive requires the Master drive to be able to connect to the controller. If there is only one drive, it must be designated the Master drive.
We don't share multiple devices on a single channel anymore - SATA, PCI-E, these techs have only one device per channel (or only a certain number of channels dedicated per device).
The old Master/Slave system was a hack to get double the IDE devices connected per controller channel.
My user name on all my PC's(non root) is literally Master, my PC's are all Slave, slave1, slave2.
I will fight to keep them that way.
I am also extremely anti slavery for sentient creatures.
Words matter in the context of their intent.
Dumbing down of the language by forcing alternate uses of a word to mean something other than its obvious intended use is evidence of dilusional minds. Pure and simple, they don't deserve a seat at the table.
I'm not sure we even need that terminology at this point... I knew it from hard drives but I'm either 1) dealing with way more than two drives, or 2) using Linux which I don't even think of as a master/slave so much as a fuck-you-mount-me-or-not-I-don't-care partitions.
I'm not really sure where else it's used, especially since everything else seems to just be primary/secondary. But I'm no CS major so IDK.
Funny how people get heated over things that don't matter. OK, it has been one way for a long time. But had it been Parent/Child the same amount of time, would it be any different?
As long as you know the meanings of what is used, it doesn't matter what they are. If someone would rather not use master/slave, let them. No one is stopping you from making a choice to keep using it. You also might have to interact with consequences for that choice, but that's what you get for working with other people. 🫠
It’s been primary/secondary and main/secondary in the automotive hydraulics world since at least 2000. I know because my hs car repair class used master/slave and I had to do a double take for a second back in ‘01 looking at the manual before bleeding the brakes on a focus.
Is everything else in the hydraulics world also primary/secondary?