Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?
I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don't actually think everyone there is insane. I don't care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point
Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It's not going to scare me to take this down
Thank god for hexbear and lemmygrad though. Imagine the effort needed to block them all individually if spread over all the other instances.
Yeah, it's actually helpful to have safe spaces for hateful assholes so they can be corralled away.
Its a safe space for them to be… away from me
On the other hand, an isolated community can also become a nasty brewing pot, reinforcing harmful behaviors and even intensifying them over time.
I don't think calling them safe spaces for hateful assholes is accurate, but I understand frustrations with them.
They still get loose and troll .world while the mods there give them free reign and ban you if you report them for trolling. You can't call them trolls, but they can call you a troll.
If you think yogthos isn't the main account of return2ozma you're gonna have a bad time.
fuck that guy.
Really? Damn that's crazy.
Before instance blocking was a thing I blocked individual trolls wheb I saw them and after about the fifth block I didn't see a lot of hexbear, so it they have a few very loud individuals but instance blocking hexbear really made my browsing a lot more chill
lemmygrad? Oh, I missed that one.
Most instances have already blocked lemmygrad. Yours is one of a very few that has not.
If you've heard of Chapo Trap House that's them. If not, most of those kids/idiots/trolls are the type of terminally online fake leftists that give other leftist a bad image in general. They were so ridiculous Reddit got tired of their shit and banned them a couple years back.
Seeing the ban coming, they financed and suffered alpha and beta of the Lemmy platform we all enjoy. Then, they chose to become the most GLBTQ+ friendly destination on the internet.
As it's always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.
But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.
Their shit isn't convenient or comfortable. It's not easy to understand. And, I fucking love them for it.
edit: Lazy coders need choose a randomized target value and timing or be a moderator to avoid detection by the user. Perceiving is easy when your code is trash. Ask for help from an industrial engineer.
As it's always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.
Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.
F them and f you for defending them.
This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.
Above screenshot is from said thread.
The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!
But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.
I've never seen this - not just from that instance, but literally anywhere on the internet, even back in the forum or bb days. But I've been looking for something like that for years, and I'd be interested. Do you know of any specific examples of this happening?
i don't think they really helped with the financing of lemmy, although their coders did/do make many valuable contributions to lemmy's code base. out of curiosity, do you have an account on another instance? I'm surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated
is everyone
in hexbearinsane?
Yes.
All animals are equal... But some more equal than others.
8 billion stupid monkeys
Seconded
Source: am stupid monke
Hexbear is sort of like a village of eldritch abomination worshippers in a Lovecraftian horror story - isolated, insular, entirely wrapped up in their own esoteric rituals and ideas and language, and immediately and collectively hostile to outsiders.
Wow, this is such an accurate description of so many online communities that have come and gone over the years, nicely done.
I always joke that right-wing politics is all projection. But here we are with the cult of capital being dismissive to non-believers
They also both worship Cthu... I mean, Stalin
It's not just you
And increasingly lemmy.ml, sadly
That looks like Thunder! You should check out the latest version; it has an improved Block Management page.
Childish? Kinda. Insane? No.
There are three relevant things to say about hexbear.
1 It is not a serious instance. Or at least not completely serious; they're mostly there for memes, funposting, "I know that feel" etc.
So they're less like the meeting room of a communist party than like the bar where those communists hang out and drink beer, after the meeting is over.
I feel like this is often misinterpreted, as HB users say something that is mostly a taunt and others interpret as actual argumentation. And it also tends to attract younger users, who... well, behave like young people?
2 Even if not a serious instance, they're serious about their views. Your typical HB user is communist, antifa, vegan, anti-cop, and interprets things in a very specific way. They're rather transparent about it.
And, because of #1, they aren't really willing to spend their time entertaining anyone's counterpoints. It'll be interpreted as sealioning or similar.
3 Hexbear was already its own thing before federation. As such it developed social norms that often conflict with the norms typically found in the rest of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, Mbin, Piefed etc.)
For example, even if Lemmy as a whole is prone to intrusive political discussions, HB users tend to do it far more. Because they're used to an environment where this is typically taken as OK.
When it comes to dealing with HB users here, my advice is the exact same as dealing with other users:
Thank you for saying this in a more detailed way than I have been. This is exactly right. They built their own leftist haven and became a whole culture of their own, and then became federated. There is bound to be an initial clash, but honestly I think most of the people who hate on them never gave them a chance. All they saw were the shitposts and the in-jokes and you closed the door.
When it comes to dealing with HB users here, my advice is the exact same as dealing with other users
- if you don't like what someone is saying (because it's idiotic, obstrusive, or whatever), block the person for some peace of mind.
- if you're consistently uninterested on the content coming from an instance, block the instance.
I see a lot of leftists (and leaning leftists), even on .world, who would be better off interacting with the users there (maybe blocking the shitposting comms). And outside of those most-seen comms (chapotraphouse and dunk_tank), there is genuine conversation and less shit talking and in-jokes. I believe, with more instances coming in that are federated with them (mine, .ml, and lem.ee? are a couple), some of the Hex-natives are understanding how to interact with curious left-leaning people with unintentionally wrong-headed ideas.
Downvote me all you want, I stand by Hexbear. o7
This is the most reasonable response.
A lot of people here have long since made up their mind about hexbear based both on repeated meta posting on the topic and possibly a bad experience or two with them on a topic they assumed was uncontested but is a landmine topic for communists of a particular bent
I've personally never had a bad experience with hexbears, possibly because I'm more empathetic to their perspective, but more likely because I know when it's time to disengage. There are users on lemmy who feel strongly about a certain topic that's abrasive to hexbear users and dig in their heels when jeered at (or maybe feel a personal responsibility to stand them down) and are usually the users here who have the most complaints, because the standard reaction from hexbear users is irreverence (both the users and the mods).
Unlike a lot of liberals coming from reddit, communists often don't have delusions about the neutrality of moderation and so they'll ban you on a whim if they think you're there to stir shit. They use the ban hammer judiciously even with users on their own instance. That's often the biggest complaint both with hexbear and with lemmy.ml.
Unlike a lot of liberals coming from reddit, communists often don’t have delusions about the neutrality of moderation and so they’ll ban you on a whim if they think you’re there to stir shit.
really well articulated. I feel bad for well meaning people, but so often they don't realize it comes across as the exact same kind of bad faith trolling that communist online groups have to constantly deal with and so mods and users have little patience for it if it's not explicitly a thread for that kind of conversation.
To be fair I've had a few bad experiences with Hexbears, but I think that most of them boil down to "unfunny guy interacting with unserious kids". But since I'm often lurking there in my political account, I feel like my opinion about them is a bit less ungrounded than this whole "Hexbear bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER!" echo chamber.
(I also have a few bones to pick with .ml [the people in charge, not the whole instance], but they don't apply to LG or HB, it's a matter of transparency.)
Interestingly those points all applied to The_Donald as well.
Ah yes, famously communist, antifa, vegan, anti-cop the_donald.
I think that this is a red herring.
Even if the first two points apply (do they? I don't think so, but I'm not going to dispute it), the problem with T_D was neither, it was users there actively promoting hate against marginalised groups.
And, while you can complain a thousand things about Hexbear, they are not promoting hate against marginalised groups. On the contrary - if they even smell that you might be potentially promoting it, they'll ban you under a "better safe than sorry" approach.
reason: I don't care about USA internal politics.
antifa
Yeah, the famous antifa-tankers. Every single person I've ever seen that identifies as antifa was a tanker. Other people run away from that label.
Maybe you're telling on yourself by announcing your disdain for antifascists
Lmao, they sure are insane. But if you listen closely they will tell you that sanity is a western psyop and you should enjoy the simple truths of life, like shitting in your own pants and bragging about it online.
Many of them, yes. They're among the most radical of the leftist instances, which means that they attract a lot of propagandists and tankies. They have some perfectly reasonable people too, but you know, vocal minority. Its the main thing most people notice about those instances.
Many people block hexbear, Lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad for these reasons.
What is a ‘tankie’?
the original origin of the term was a group british communists attacking anyone who supported the Soviet Union's crushing of the hungarian uprising in 1956. it then morphed into a term used to attack anyone who supports the use of force and authority in general to suppress counter revolutionaries. it's final degeneration is that it is now used to attack anyone to the left of an american democrat like facebones said.
here is a good article about it. To be clear: this is written from the perspective of a marxist leninist, who are normally the number one target of being called a "tankie". Still, it is very short, and redsails is a really cool website that has the footnotes with citations pop up as you read long
In theory, the things the other replies said.
In practice, anything left of the average Lemmy.world liberal/democrat.
I don't Lemmy enough to say there are zero hexbear users who are pro China or pro wtfever people say, but I see almost none of the ridiculous shit the rest of Lemmy claim exclusively happens there. What I DO see is liberals (usually from lemmy.world if we're swinging at instances) talking ridiculous trollish shit to hexbear users than using the silly trollish responses they get in response to justify these "all hexbears want to give America to Xi Jinping" posts.
Apologists for Chinese/Russian government.
Someone ideologically somewhere between his greatest heroes, Stalin and Mao.
Pro-China sycophants. They'd be the ones driving the tanks at Tiananman Square.
I'd also argue that these people only put up a facade of being leftist. I've never once seen a hexbear user actually make arguments for leftist policies, socialism, or communism. They just shitpost a bunch of anti-American memes and rally for the Russian and Chinese governments.
Apologists for authoritarian regimes that have either historically been communist or paint themselves as such currently.
Or as far as most of .world is concerned, anyone to the left of Joe Manchin.
I have yet to see any reasonableness from hexbear.
Hell, I had a few members tell me that I was part of the evil capitalist elite because I had a job.
They brigade like annoying unwanted fleas that you cannot get rid of.
I had a few members tell me that I was part of the evil capitalist elite because I had a job.
Definitely a joke, I'm having trouble imagining a person who could believe this in earnest, let alone enough to say it out loud. I'm even having trouble accepting that you can imagine that a person would say this with no sarcasm. No one actually believes that.
edit: just realized that maybe you're trying to be funny and I'm slow on the uptake
My definition of left and theirs are very different.
Tankie is such a weird thing to call these communists. They are way way less violent than liberals and conservatives are. They don't even support any on going genocides like the others do.
The historical through-line is that the term originated from British Communists that supported the USSR putting down the Hungarian Counter-Revolution, which involved tanks and violent fighting.
Nowadays, Tankie is used for everyone left of liberalism that agrees with the Marxist theory of the State, rather than the Anarchist, it's muddled and has no meaning.
You are correct. Do your mental health a favour and block that instance along with lemmygrad.
Problem is that blocking the instance doesn't block these clowns' comments on other instances, you have to do a lot of manual blocking.
Lemm.ee basically doesn't defederate anything. You should probably go to an instance that defederates those instances.
That depends on your client. Connect for lemmy shows a placeholder for comments from blocked instances. You can click to show the comment anyway or just blissfully ignore the high probability rage bait.
I actually like that implementation, because the obnoxiousness of hexbear users is context dependent. On posts about gardening and nolawns I'll usually see what they have to say. On political posts, I usually regret reading their comments. So it's somewhat nice to opt-in to comments on a case by case basis.
Do you have any examples of this? Since world is defederated from that instance, I only end up visiting it when people like you come in and talk about how absolutely crazy it is over there, so occasionally I'll take a curious peek. This time I see... a post about Indigenous rights, a post criticizing capitalism, a post dunking on musk, a post about FOSS... when do I start seeing the crazy?
If you're a rabid right winger like most redditors anyone with half a brain will seem crazy.
They very quickly ban people who disagree with their propaganda. So just browsing, it looks like left leaning but generally sane people.
Go on there and say anything negative at all about China. You'll see the crazy.
Have you considered you are just observing this:
Hexbear is for communists to talk to communists. They get plenty of the "default" liberal opinions from waves hands around vaguely and are entitled to their own community, no?.
Obviously if you go into Hexbear and just start posting anti-China stuff they're going to ban you. It's not like the English-speaking world is bereft of anti-China news articles.
That is what they hate.
idk, I've seen all the hype around hexbear users being obnoxious around Lemmy (including our own instance debating blocking the instance, followed by several of their members brigading the thread true to form)... but I've explored the communities on the instance itself and even subscribed to some of them like mutual aid, gaming etc, and those that I'm watching are actually just normal people doing normal things if more left than some other similar groups. In my experience it isn't "all" hexbear users, because that would be a dumb generalization.
There are some assholes on that instance to be sure. Show me one that this isn't true of. I'm glad our instance didn't block them because I now get to decide for myself. I block communities and/or users if they're a problem for me. I think that's a good way.
I’m glad your instance stayed federated because I’ve seen some good takes from lemm.ee users on hexbear threads! 🥰
Yeah I joined this instance not knowing much about any of them and lucked into a very good crew! I did read their defederation policy (not inclined to unless extreme situations) and that is why I signed up here and they've been true to that. I think it's healthy.
The brigading was really annoying though, but I never noticed anything else bad about them. I don't use 'all' very much and that is probably why.
Yeah it was, but it was only a few individuals. It wasn't the entire population of the instance. I do sort by All quite a bit and honestly I don't see much of note from any one instance other than weird porn or niche meme communities that I block individually as needed. I just nuke communities and individuals that annoy me.
They really don't "brigade" much except in threads on which HB is mentioned.
However they will pile on in threads that grab their attention, but I think that's more a result of them being a fairly large instance and their (mostly like-minded) users all finding popular threads organically in their feed.
Obviously you can't lump them all into one category, but the majority of them seem to be willing to cause chaos on other instances for a laugh. Doesn't sit right with me, so i blocked them
To be clear, this is coming from you getting banned for being a debate-pervert after you claimed Putin invaded Ukraine to "reinstate the USSR" as a secret Commie and refused to take a pro-Palestinian stance, equating Palestinian resistance with a century of settler-colonial genocide.
I think it's a bit terminally online to run away to a defederated instance to lick your wounds, rather than reflect on why being a debatebro is unhealthy.
equivilating
I think the word you’re looking for is “equating.”
“Equivilating” is not a word.
“Equivocating” is, but it means to deceive without lying by creatively telling the truth, to seem you’re saying one thing while really saying something else. This is an art form if you play a lawful good face character and your DM says you aren’t allowed to lie.
Just woke up, corrected, haha. Thanks!
This is an art form if you play a lawful good face character and your DM says you aren’t allowed to lie.
This is the real pro tip.
The irony of being banned for being a “debatebro” in fucking hexbear of all places, where “debatebro” is just the zeitgeist.
Call it what it is, he like most others was banned for having differing beliefs than the chosen narrative there.
Everyone knows Putin invaded Ukraine because he's a dumbass dictator who started to believe his own propaganda. It's the dictator trap. Putin surrounded himself with backstabbing yes men by literally killing anyone who wasn't.
As to Palestinian resistance. I don't think Hamas is a good resistance movement. For a whole host of reasons. Which is why the Israeli government has been propping them up since the 80s.
An unsympathetic resistance movement can do more to damage a cause than not having a movement at all.
From now until the ethnic cleansing is complete, Israel will call any resistance movement Hamas, regardless of their actual name or beliefs. I'm not sure how to fight that... I don't think anyone really knows beyond screaming the truth everywhere we can.
It didn't work in the 1920s in Europe. But maybe with the Internet... Likely not though.
Everyone knows Putin invaded Ukraine because he's a dumbass dictator who started to believe his own propaganda. It's the dictator trap. Putin surrounded himself with backstabbing yes men by literally killing anyone who wasn't.
Do you have any evidence of this? Could it be that there were economic factors at play, and rational actors, regardless of morality or immorality? This seems utterly vibe-based and lacks a materialist analysis, so I'd love evidence.
From now until the ethnic cleansing is complete, Israel will call any resistance movement Hamas, regardless of their actual name or beliefs. I'm not sure how to fight that... I don't think anyone really knows beyond screaming the truth everywhere we can.
Hamas isn't the only resistance group in Palestine, there are others such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The key though is that Israel has been committing settler-colonial genocide for a century, oppressed peoples have a right to use violence against their oppressors, especially when non-violent means have tried and failed, and especially in the face of active genocide.
Equating Hamas to Israel equates resistance to genocide with genocide itself.
Please tell me what a debate bro is for the people who don't know the terminology
Someone who goes fishing for fights online.
I don't mind communism. I do mind advocating for Russia, in a war where they are clearly the aggressor, and harassing then moving to harass the same left wing for not being as radical or as pro-russian and deluding themselves with false beliefs that they are alone and no one is left wing other than them
Not really. They have a lot of bits and in-jokes which are going to seem incomprehensible to anyone from the outside, but most of them are pretty chill if you engage in good faith. It's like a lot of tech communities; if you don't do your research and ask intelligent questions, you're likely to get told to RTFM.
Red Team Field Manual? /s
Yeah it's just like that... except that they advocate for the murder and starvation of countless people as a step in a process towards a utopia that cannot exist.
But yeah just a bunch of fun people with inside jokes
Congratulations OP, this post made it to Hexbear! 🎉
Oh look, a brigading bunch of cunts.
Everyone less authoritarian than Stalin (or even worse, being left of) is literally stormfront, except Russia, which is fine.
They're talking about the ableists and fascists on this thread dumbass
"HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point"
Without taking any sides, saying some group is insane and then saying that them lashing back "proves your point" is beyond stupid.
Like, of course they will, what else do you expect them to do? Sit and politely agree?
We should stop with this kind of BS in any sort of debate. Groups will protect themselves, and will not get polite to those who throw slurs at them; that's natural, normal and speaks nothing about their average behavior.
This never proves any point and is nothing but a dirty rhetorical device aimed to shut your opposition up and make them seem irrelevant. This is not part of any possible healthy conversation.
Also, post is not a genuine question.
Damn it's nice to see the comments are surprisingly evenly split between hating on it and actually being reasonable. Quite a difference from when redditors first moved in here last year.
I guess the more people talk about it, the more people actually visit it for themselves and form their own opinions.
I guess the more people talk about it, the more people actually visit it for themselves and form their own opinions.
That's the biggest kicker, since many instances are defederated they get secondhand filters of information, creating an image of Hexbear that just doesn't align with reality. Anyone considering themselves a Leftist should at least check it out for themselves.
Every single person I've seen defending it has been a lemmy.ml user which from my understanding is not too dissimilar from hexbears
Lemmy.ml is run by Communists and has a lot of Communists in general (ml itself is a reference to Marxism-Leninism), Communists are going to be sympathetic towards Communists.
Nah, it is just a lot of hexbear alt accounts like yourself on your disingenously labeled "reasonable" side.
Everyone I disagree with is a secret hexbear
Not all. People over-generalize to forget that Lemmy.ml (and lately more people from Midwest.social) have always blended the experiences, being able to post to both "sides" like hexbear.net and lemmy.world that are defederated from one another.
And lemm.ee too though iirc they consider themselves more truly neutral than leftists?
And some alts too ofc:-).
Cope lol
I was going to block them and lemmygrad at first but decided not to and instead tried to understand what all these people were about.
Now I'm a communist, have a hammer and sickle, live in China, and my favorite color is red. Death to America comrades! Get fucked libs /s
Seriously though, they're not anymore insane than us. Maybe just a bunch of drunken commies at a bar who don't really bother to distance themselves from the subjects of a century of red scare propaganda. In any case, it's worth keeping an open mind and engaging in good faith.
Though as leftist as I personally am and have become in time, I'm not going to call anyone comrade or start using hammer and sickle imagery except in the context of history lol. Libs can still get fucked though.
Last I checked there was an instance rule preventing the posting of pictures of cheese without a trigger warning.
Sheogorath does not approve.
The most well written character from any game yet. Change my mind.
Hexbear is firmly Vegan ideologically, you can still post meat or dairy behind CWs.
I'm pretty sure it's food in general as a courtesy to persons who struggle with eating disorders.
It's for meat and dairy, Hexbear allows non-vegan members and non-vegan posting, but requires CWs.
I was bullied for off Lemmy.One by the hexbear mods who sent hexbear users my way to harass me...
All for (while I'm still a raging communist) not being a pro authoritarian communist.
Harassed how? Do you have a link?
That's kind of just socialism then.
Edit. Misread op comment.
If you don’t understand socialism, sure.
Hates stuff the west does.
Loves stuff China and Russia do.
It's the same stuff.
Haha too accurate
Safe space for teens cos playing as communists, where they can be nasty to outsiders.
I like the politics, but it’s filled with truly obnoxious children try to out-communist each other
the philosopher Bertrand Russell warned of the dangers of communisms tendency to become a religious cult and he was right.
Bertrand Russell's Political understanding was poor to say the least. He was in no way an expert and seemed to have only skimmed summaries and a handful of short texts when it came to Marx, sounding more like Jordan Peterson fixating on terms. For example, I think at one point he spent several paragraphs fixated on "nothing to lose but our chains" without understanding the basic thesis. His criticisms were, therefore, basically a series of errors and misunderstandings rather than insight. And beneath it all, a distressingly consistent current of chauvinism and racism, even with his anti-war stance.
Russell is good for math, logic, and some analytic philosophy, though.
Just wait until they start swarming in this thread, they will leave you with no doubts whatsoever. ;)
This community is in world which defederated from hexbear and grad a while ago so we should be safe from most of em.
Yes. Block the community and move on.
You should petition your admins to defederate or move to an instance that does so.
People complain about world but I like it here. This is my third instance.
It's not just you. Like many people that get sucked into cults, you don't want to directly engage with them. Just nicely encourage them to deprogram themselves, and focus on maturing and becoming an adult. They really don't like get called out like that, based on my interactions with them.
They really don’t like get called out like that, based on my interactions with them.
yes why would people get upset that you're being condescending and calling them either brainwashed or a child? one of the biggest remaining mysteries in the world really
So here's the thing. Hexbear has some smart people on it. @PugJesus@lemmy.world wrote a good comment over here that talks about how it's good that they can see injustices in the world and get pissed off: https://lemmy.world/comment/12220633
But cults suck in smart people, and they're very skilled at this. They feed off of righteous anger at the state of the world, and promise neat, easy solutions. And the issue is that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, especially people that suffer from black and white thinking. You can't talk about how the world doesn't neatly fit into tidy categories, because that's not as comforting as what the cult offers. The only thing you can really do is reinforce that they've fallen into a broken system of thinking, and encourage them to want to reason themselves out of their current position. Once that desire is there, they'll accomplish it all on their own.
That's right folks, remember not to engage with any opposing ideology in an honest or intellectually rigorous manner! If someone is critical of your beliefs, it is important to simply ignore them and never seriously consider either of your positions.
Typical lemmy.ml comment, trying to make hexbears seem reasonable when they are definitely arguing in bad faith.
We don't have to feed trolls. You can't make us either.
Basic mental health config for a non tankist user of Lemmy is to block hexbear, lemmygrad and lemmy.ml instances first. Then, any user from there that you will see calling nazis anyone who don't think like them.
I almost left Lemmy thinking it was a tankist shithole before understanding the pattern.
Then it gets back to the average former-Reddit techie activist, which is still pretty left.
Yeah, I would love to see a user score on names (in addition to account age we have now):
How combative they are (i.e. referring to people as nazi's, hitler, philes, ists, etc)
How likely they are to downvote a post vs upvote
How positive they can be (i.e. saying nice things)
Hexbear users will never downvote you if only because they physically can't. Downvotes were disabled around the time of the Great reddit migration.
Write the tool, provide it as a web service given a username, and then it will exist! :-P
Yes, Everyone. the bots, the human user, me, and even you. You can't escape it.
You and @EABOD25@lemm.ee aren't on hexbear, though, are you?
If you say something wrong about something they care about and you can't back it up, they're going to be rude to you.
The one dude I spoke that was decent and respectful asked for proof of the Uygher genocide, gave him proof, the proof wasn't good enough. Gave him more proof told me it still wasn't good enough. Figured it wasn't worth it anymore because he's denying everything I give him. Told him he has a movable goal post and peace be with him. Blocked the community and just found out today they banned me. There probably are people that willing to have a dialog, but the few are giving all a bad rep
HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point
Yeah, you can always count on them to brigade.
I will not define insanity or who is or isn't, but hexbear users' stances and opinions tend to be missing nuance as one often do when one is terminally online and mostly form opinions based on the reverberations of an echo chamber.
They do occasionally have a golden meme, though. But the amount of shit coming from there got too tiresome, and I could only look past so many genocide denials before I ended up blocking the entire instance.
Check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Jesus Harold Christ. This is just propaganda. Plain and simple
I think anyone who's even remotely curious about hexbear should go make an account and just... Iunno, check it out? That's what i did and it ended up being my home away from home.
Their viewpoints are gonna be absolute whiplash for most people unaccustomed to speaking about world topics from a non-us-centric perspective, or who have only learned about what communism actually is from our (definitely not biased) general education.
Calling those viewpoints "crazy" is just a shortcut, a base dismissal of thought unworthy of critical thinkers.
If you take me up on this, go lurk a bit! They can't hurt you. If after awhile of lurking, you have a question (you will have questions) ask them from a position of curiosity that you're interested in their perspective instead of one there to "educate the commies" and you'll be just fine. Hell you don't ever have to engage in politics at all there, hexbear has as many shitposts as the other instances do
I recall i went to hexbear because sh.itjust.works was defedding and erryone was just so mad at them i had to see what the fuss was about. Im very glad i did
You can have a non-US centric point of view without defending Russia or Chinese genocides...
Difficult. The perception of Russia and China outside the western world is very different and very variable than what westerners think.
If you're saying I'm calling their viewpoints crazy, I'm not. I didn't get a view point besides I'm pig slop, a piece of shit, brainwashed by the empire (whatever the hell that means), stupid, a basement dweller, and today, I think they called me a pervert
This is my exact same experience. I ask for someone to elaborate on their stance, get told (not accused, told) I'm trolling. Ask for explanation/definition of a concept, get called an idiot shitlib and told to read some theory. Ask for civility, get told I deserve abuse for "endorsing genocide". (By the way, I absolutely oppose the genocide in Gaza. But I'm a genocide supporter I guess because I won't flush my vote third party this November.)
Hexbear is a community that expects you to conform. Every time there is a post like this, someone comes out of the woodwork and says "They're nice people if you talk like them and agree with them on everything." It's cool that you're not getting abused, but abuse is coming from that space, whether or not it is happening to you.
It's a shame because I would like to hear the nuances of their viewpoints, but I can never get them to tell me what they are. Always complaining that nobody tries to understand, but dogpiling on anyone that asks questions. Then they pull up your report history and tell you "It's just a little dunking bro, stop being a snowflake" for not putting up with it.
Users of Hexbear, if you're reading these words, do better. Nobody is going to sympathize with your cause if you antagonize outsiders that want to learn more.
Your mistake was posting in the dunk tank. That is literally a "vent" sub where they vent their frustrations against stupid US empire propaganda takes.
It’s the dunk tank.
This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.
If you go there expecting reasonable treatment for your opinions, you misunderstood the assignment. That is a shitpost sub where only one side is right.
How do I know this? Because I went there once and got dunked on too! But that does not represent the entirety of hexbear. I think.
So this post is because you're angry ya got dunked on? You can't just post liberal political opinions (that would do well in liberal spaces) and expect them to fly in a commie space...
Wait, i recognize you! Ive argued with you myself! You definitely don't approach hexbear with a perspective of learning something, and iirc you're not the most respectful of other opinions haha! You been banned a couple times and still ain't learned shit about shit. Should i pm you with those threads with explanations of what and where you went wrong? Id be ecstatic to teach you something today
again youre misrepresenting. you got several well articulated lengthy explanations and dismissed them or didn't reply.
Nope. They seem pretty sane and rational in comparison to places like Reddit, Lemmy.world, Twitter, 4chan, Facebook, etc.
given my experience with the chapotraphouse community, yes.
I don't think Hexbear is really the same thing these days
maybe not, but that was my experience with it lol
wait, like the drug dealer?
no clue i was only in there for like 5 minutes before being told to kill myself and getting banned lmao
containment instance
What do you mean by that?
On 4chan people refer to "containment" boards for topics that are racist, inflammatory, or regularly derail conversations (ex. pol, b, mlp). That way the people who want that aren't always polluting boards where people just want to talk about (for example) food or technology.
So I was half joking that hexbear is like a containment board. It isn't quite the same, but since other Lemmy instances can block hexbear all at once it has the same effect.
The reason I moved to lemmy.cafe instance is because it's defederated from those tankie instances. I can't even see their comments anywhere.
The reason I moved to lemmy.today is that admins don't decide for you what you're allowed to see.
Everything is open, and if you don't like it - you defederate personally. No one stops you.
Not all, but it's definitely not for everyone's tastes. Just block the instance and move on. Go to your user settings, blocks tab, scroll way down to instance, and put hexbear.net. You will still see posts from it and its users, but still that improves things immensely e.g. you won't see communities on it anymore and you won't receive notifications for when the people continue to respond to you weeks and weeks and weeks after some innocuous comment you made that they did not agree with hard enough and thus earned their undying ire.
I would rather in the future see such things be opt-in rather than opt-out... but then I don't run an instance and this is what we have now.
Also most instances already defederate from lemmygrad.ml for the same reasons, but not yours so if you do it for hexbear.net then you should probably do it for lemmygrad.ml too while you are at it.
And then eventually, even if months later, you will find yourself doing this again for Lemmy.ml, for vastly reduced but again still similar reasons. That one will cost you some good communities, but is more than worth the cost imho to entirely transform your experience on the Fediverse, to have blocked the big three. Also some people add Midwest.social but I haven't done that one yet. All of those call themselves "leftists" but more importantly somehow feel that their political beliefs entitle them to behave like jerks - not uniformly so but as you are seeing, definitely it's a noticeable pattern.
The motto of the Fediverse: to stay sane, block early, and block often. To which I will add: you cannot control the entire world, only yourself, i.e. if it drives you crazy to see such, then curate your experiences.
Thanks for the info. Already took care of that. Kind of annoying and disappointing that people won't treat other people better
Kind of annoying and disappointing that people won’t treat other people better
There, ftfy.
But also, that's their right if that's how they want to be... I suppose. It's just that, again, I wish that it - like porn - were opt-in, or at least fucking labelled with a warning, rather than make each new Fedizen figure this out entirely on their own. Every single person that I've told about Lemmy comes back a week later with the same questions... did you know what all is on there? Places like Chapotraphouse are extremely special, but again, like porn, I'm not arguing that they should not exist, just that they be opt-in, possibly by labeling them. Not everyone wants to see random dicks in their All feed.
I love that without fail every single person in this thread defending hexbears is from ml with the same pronoun tag format every single hexbear seems to have
Almost like they're hexbear alts or something
Before I get accused of being a hexbear alt, I only added them after I saw that they were in common use due to hexbear posters showing up in my /all. We did actually start mandating pronoun tags for people participating in /c/transgender -despite the fact that some of the admins are resistant at the instance level- because it seems to work well in the trans spaces on hexbear for fostering a respectful environment.
I am not from ML nor do I have a Hexbear alt of any sort, but I defend Hexbear's right to be different. They seem to be a younger group of anti-capitalists so I find their perspectives interesting.
Edit: I am still somewhat new to Lemmy, so maybe there is some history with Hexbear that I am ignorant of, but until I see it for myself, I enjoy their content and will continue to support Hexbear.
Heavily scratched liberal gets banned from hexbear for being a debate pervert and trying to start fights, immediately proceeds to call everyone there mentally ill
Here's the thread in question btw. The mods left up OP's comments that had some semblance of effort.
OP claimed putler was trying to bring back the USSR or some shit here lmao. At least OP deleted it.
I'm not banned from there and I agree with OP. Those people need serious help.
Edit: I mean they think Donald Trump is a liberal FFS. Donald Fucking Trump.
I mean they think Donald Trump is a liberal FFS. Donald Fucking Trump
I mean, yes. Donald Trump generally supports the free market, individualist ideology of Liberalism, and is extremely pro Capitalism.
Liberalism doesn't mean "left wing" or "center left."
Trump is also a far-right populist, but falls under the umbrella of liberalism.
Dude...he used to be. Lol
Not all of them, some are just idiots.
This is a great thread for finding new people to block
Not just you lol. The lads from hexbear are funny aul fellows
Just don't stare too long into the abyss lol
Hehehe...
They’re leftists. Like actual leftists, some of whom subscribe to the idea that capitalism can only be overcome through violence.
There’s a lot of “well if it’s our authoritarian it’s ok”
My real beef with them is the same as my beef with .Ml and Lemmygrad, little baby mods and admins that hit you with the instance wide ban for disagreeing with their opinions
More egregious is getting banned for pointing out the admins suck
I've never seen a single post or comment from hexbear, I didn't even block them maybe my instance maintainer did block them so I don't know lol, what did they do to get so much hate?
lemmy.ca has both hexbear and lemmygrad defederated yes.
They get hate because they challenge the viewpoints of liberals who have never peeped outside their western media echo chambers. They would literally just be considered normal leftists outside the west, but thats like garlic to a vampire for lemmredditors.
If you ask people on .world or .ee, it's because they have positive views on China and Russia, who are responsible for all ills in the world.
I'd recommend keeping it that way
Where are people seeing this hexbear and lemmygrad content? I use the Thunder client with a lemmy.world account. I don't have those instances blocked but never see anything from them. Is it because I created my account on lemmy.world?
Both banned by your instance: https://lemmy.world/instances
Is it because I created my account on lemmy.world?
Correct. Lemmy.world's admin "pre-emptively defederated Hexbear as a last resort".
Lol. "Pre-emptive last resort" is one of the best oxymorons I've heard in a while
The majority of instances defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad. I think if you have an account on such an instance you'll never see anyone or anything from them (correct me if I'm wrong). If your own instance is not defederated from them, then you may see the odd hexbear or lemmygrad user or community, but since most instances have defederated from them, that also means that the communities hosted there won't have hexbear or lemmygrad users in them. Likewise, if you are not defederated from them, and find a community hosted by an instance that is also not defederated from them, you will almost certainly see troll comments from hexbear or lemmygrad. I hope that's somewhat clear.
lemmy.world preemptively defederated from hexbear before hexbear had even turned on the ability to federate. In the Lemmy.world defederation post they also said that defederation has a "last resort" lmao.
I think the LW admins think their users are stupid.
I think HB and some of the other groups are mostly trolls or Russian, Chinese, Iranian, North Korean, or aligned operatives trying to gas up trolls or wannabe trolls.
There are definitely some well meaning Americans and others who get suckered into the bullshit tornado that is those sites. They are definitely worth saving if we can. But it's hard. They ban and block anyone with a dissenting voice no matter how calmly presented.
Yes they are insane/extremists
Most of the Lemmy.World users and mods are actively advocating to vote for Genocide, so i understand that Hexbear is a culture shock.
That vote was made in the Obama era. There's a 35 billion dollar funding scheme for Israel that's bin full swing.
Stopping it would require a lot of changes across multiple stratas of government and legal procedures.
... it's not as simple as "the president" or "the party" can just stop a long term international set of contracts across industries and government agencies and departments.
The video "Rules for Rulers" by YouTuber CPGGrey covers some of this.
In this case the rulers are not listening to their constituents and being extremely corrupt. Meaning their constituents should stop supporting said rulers.
it’s not as simple as “the president” or “the party” can just stop a long term international set of contracts across industries and government agencies and departments.
It is called Leahy law, and the current president is actively violating the law by sending weapons to israel which uses them to commit war crimes.
Because hexbear users would never do that, right? You're fighting your battle on the wrong battleground.
There's definitely some users there who go too far in their support for other imperialist superpowers like Russia and China.
Because if America bad Russia and China good is an easy train of thought. Imperialism bad is a more difficult pill to accept.
But users there moreso question whether certain atrocities happened. They're not saying 'yeah the CCP is currently Genociding Uyghurs in concentration camps. but you have to vote for Xi Jingping to save Democracy'.
Occasionally I do find they have a point in the West exaggerating others crimes. I mostly started noticing this after Hamas supposedly beheaded 40 babies in ovens which our media blasted as fact without questioning it. Though other times there is usually a base of truth which is undeniable.
But admitting that your side is doing Genocide and still advocating for them comes off as far more insane to me than denying their crimes.
I first was introduced to hex by a similar post, idk the community, and my first reaction was, "holy shit it, those people are toxic!” maybe it was a complaint about the dunktank. Since then, I've come to recognize how intelligent and sane they actually are.
Abuse begets abuse, and the cycle continues. I do hope my own instance hasn't defederated. I've learned so much, incrementally, and developed a particular fondness for some users. I do feel enriched for them and ml having educated me patiently and kindly. I see them as older siblings who are human, like me. In fact, I'd say there are some I adore. Not hero worship, because that sets is up for disappointment or cult of personality. Just a particular fondness.
Don't misunderstand, and I wish I knew the OPs tag, but they gave info to research and I quickly adjusted my knowledge to fill in some blanks, but the majority of people were just on the attack. Maybe they needed to vent some stress, which is fine, but there was only less than a handful of people that were giving me a chance. I'd love to discuss opposing views, but if the majority is going to belittle and ridicule me, I'm going to respond in equivalence. Call it pride, but no one person should be treated like that and be convinced to hear an opposing view. It just does not work
My experience is that people in lemmy.world are intolerant bigots.
Average Lemmy.ml comment
My experience with LW users is mixed: some great users, some really trashy users. It's what you expect from a huge instance not geared towards any specific demographic.
As such I don't think that it's sensible to generalise LW users like this.
Maybe you're just intolerable.
And yet your presence is being tolerated.