Democrats who urged Biden to exit race say Harris is exceeding expectations
Democrats who called on Biden to exit the presidential race soon after his debate with Trump feel gratified by her candidacy so far.
I have to admit that at first I was concerned that switching candidates so close to the election would hurt the party. Im glad I was wrong.
The old rope-a-dope strategy. Put out an old feeble conservative democrat to lull the opponent into a false sense of security. Let the conservative opposition nominate a dog-eating couch-fucker as VP. Then yank the geriatric coot off stage and replace him with someone 30 years younger and normal looking who can string a full sentence together without drooling.
Rock bottom expectations are fully exceeded. Right-wing oppo strategists are sent scrambling for a new messaging game. The median American voter fully forgets these two people were part of the same administration and excitedly claps at the jangling keys.
Not since Reagan cut a deal with the Ayatollah of Iran has any presidential candidate so effortlessly hoodwinked their rivals. Truly a master class in winning elections. We hope.
This is the first time the Democratic strategy hasn't disappointed me in years. Nealy everyone is pushing in the same direction, and the messaging has been nearly flawless.
I thought the idea might have been planted to subvert the democrats and push voters from the polls.
Hopefully the energy behind the Harris campaign lead to her presidency and a more blue government.
I think the opposition was trying for that strategy, but didn’t think the Dems would actually do it.
I’m happy it’s working out for Democrats so far, and hope it continues.
Same. When it was announced I was literally like, "fuuuuuck". But I've since change my tune and legit have a modicum of hope again.
I'd like to think there is a strategist in her camp who urged Biden to stay in for as long as he did, and only swap out after the first debate, closer to the 3 month runway mark. And that strategist is just waiting until after the election to gloat publicly about the scheme.
Now that's a conspiracy theory I can get behind.
I've had a similar thought about it. The timing of him dropping out was near perfect in hindsight, right after the Republicans locked Trump and Vance in and taking all of the wind out of their sails right when they were eyeing the finish line. If someone planned that far in advance they'll definitely deserve to gloat!
This is me exactly. It makes me so happy that the Dems are doing a good job.
I was wrong. I'm happy to say that.
Oh she did that for me practically on day one of announcing her candidacy.
She is obviously intelligent and has very good political ideas.
But something hit me recently, with George Bush it was said he was the kind of person people would like to have a beer with. Which was allegedly a big reason he won.
But I certainly see that with Kamala Harris much more. Kamala Harris seems like such a genuinely nice person, who can also have a bit of fun.
So Kamala if you find yourself in the neighborhood, feel free to pop in, my treat. 😀 🍺
I know that’s a really silly metric to judge them by, but I think Walz is that x1000.
otoh I like John Cleese's line. He said he wanted a candidate so brilliant that he, Cleese, would be afraid to sit at the same table, lest he be proven a complete dunce.
Can you imagine how incredibly different things would be right now had Biden stayed in the race?
I like to think that Biden not being sick would help him, and he'd mop the floor with Trump if they had a 2nd debate. I think Trump would just say I already debated him, I'm not doing it again because he "won" that one.
We would be listening to a brand new raft of excuses for his second debate performance. Instead of watching Republicans make up conspiracies about bluetooth earrings.
She's certainly exceeded my expectations, and Trump has not met mine, either.
I thought the GOP would have made more out of the lack of primary voting, and been prepared for Harris. The way they were pushing Biden out of the race, I thought for sure they had a strategy to capitalize on the chaos of switching candidates this late in the seasons.
But Harris herded the kittens in the DNC, and came out swinging. Trump, meanwhile, was clearly unprepared for any of it. I'm very happy to have been completely wrong about it.
Literal "dog caught the car" moment.
“Harris’ popularity is astounding and could very well beat out Biden’s support in 2020… Now, to the polls. Both candidates are NECK AND NECK it’s gonna be a DEAD HEAT until November Trump could very possibly WIN OVER ALL THE SWING STATES.”
That's unfortunately not really a contradiction though, given the electoral college --- I think Harris will obliterate Trump in the popular, but that's sadly not what matters.
I remember that tons of people were super apprehensive to change the candidate with such little time left. I'm glad Biden's campaign didn't listen to that, because Kamala is way better in every way.
I was one of those. And never knew much about Harris before so I was doubly apprehensive. But she really is a solid choice and what the world needs right now, namely someone who can beat Trump. And maybe, just maybe she might be a tiny slither more progressive than Uncle Joe too, but now I'm probably dreaming. I'll settle for not getting the fascist again, though.
And maybe, just maybe she might be a tiny slither more progressive than Uncle Joe too, but now I’m probably dreaming.
Ironically (in light of your comment) her clear conservative lean really concerns me. She's backtracked on literally every progressive stance she held in 2020. This is the reason for her "my values haven't changed" soundbite. Yes, R is trying to paint her as a flipflopper. I'm not doing that, I think she leaned into the social impact of BLM and the pandemic in 2020, and is now back to her conservative self.
She seems like a decent person, but unless this is all an act to get elected (and if it isn't her statements during the runup to the 2020 election were) she's just going to pull us to the right slower than Trump would.
Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong. Let's see what she does on healthcare, UBI, police reform, corporate greed (price gouging grocery stores anyone?), and marijuana legalization. We already know she's not going to do anything differently than Biden on gaza, which is to say continue to support Israel unconditionally.
100% better than trump, and I will vote for her without hesitation on that alone. But we still don't have a President on the horizon who will do more than tolerate the progressive left in their party. At least that's how I see it.
And maybe, just maybe she might be a tiny slither more progressive than Uncle Joe too, but now I’m probably dreaming.
I remember that tons of
peopleRussian bots were super apprehensive to change the candidate
I remember lemmy's centrists losing their fucking shit at the suggestion that Biden should step aside. And they're the same people who scream "Russian bot!" at anyone who disagrees with them, especially from the left. Don't revise history. Lemmy's centrists were all-in on losing with Biden.
TIL I'm a Russian bot for showing valid concern. The fears that Biden dropping out could cause chaos for the Dems were not unfounded, but I was glad to be proven wrong.
What an amazing choice that was. Just imagine an alternate universe where Biden was still running. 😳
No need to imagine. It was barely a bit more than a month ago.
And to be clear, those who are trying to beat people into submission in the issue of genocide were the same who tried to beat people into submission on the issue of Biden s ability to win. They where wrong them. They're wrong now.
Running? He was barely walking. Kamala is running circles around him.
She crushed the debate. She learned from the mistakes that Hillary made IMO and handled him like the child he is. The fact that she managed to hook him with the rallies was fantastic.
No one outside of the donor’s circle liked Biden. He was a chump block to the progressives & the left
No one outside of the donor’s circle liked Biden.
No one inside the donor's circle liked Biden. That's why his fundraising tanked out in those last months. Kamala's surge in donations was in large part the mega-donor class sitting on their wallets until Biden was ushered off the ticket.
He was a chump block to the progressives & the left
He was a chump block to keep Bernie off the ticket in 2020. But there was no real risk of a Berniecrat running for office in 2024. The party has been moving steadily to the right since Carter and spent this primary cycle knocking out any half-decent progressive without a seven figure war chest.
Now he's just dead weight. Everyone is happy he's gone.
She still has one policy she needs to correct.
Maybe if she can get into the position where she can do something.
I put up a comment about it yesterday, but I'm predicting Oct 12- 16th for a pivot.
Specifically, these debates mostly nothing At this point, if you were going for Trump, there is no debate performance that is going to change that. Likewise for Harris voters. As well, we're just about past the point where voter registration is going to change anything. Just about the last 2 weeks of September and the state which matter won't be accepting new registrations.
So it's down to people that are likely voters who are still withholding for some policy positions.
Realistically she's got quite a few of those, but when given a bad but not fundamentally different from what one had before option, and a make everything far worse option, and a situation that makes trying to choose a third option an exercise in futility, the choice is a no-brainer.
it's probably around 1.5% of the vote she's leaving on the table?
Not an unsurmountable number, but easily closer than you would want to do in any kind of competitive election.
Unforced error. At the end of the day, AIPAC doesn't vote.
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She actually is exceeding expectations.
Before getting the nod, the narrative was "everyone hates her".
I fully expected her numbers to be worse than Biden and while they're currently dropping to Biden-ish levels, she's doing better than anyone really expected.
TBH - I still don't believe she'll beat Trump. I'd LIKE her to, but the numbers she's putting up in Pennsylvania and Michigan aren't encouraging.
I dont think people really started liking her. Biden just made himself that much more unlikable. When he stepped down Kamala got a massive swing because the DNC actually listened to us for once and made an actual fucking change. People saw hope for something better the first time in years.
Only because of identity politics, though. Old white guy vs a younger "black" female?
Of course the polls would shift. *Vote blue no matter who" in full effect lol
Lol, 3d old account gets something like this so wrong?
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