FBI visits man who said anyone who murders Kamala would be 'a hero'
FBI visits man who said anyone who murders Kamala would be 'a hero'
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"The FBI visited my house today for free speech acts they knew were not crimes."
Uh, calling for violence is NOT protected under the first amendment, so you can fuck right off with that.
"It is well understood that the right of free speech is not absolute at all times and under all circumstances. There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any Constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or 'fighting' words – those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality."
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In Terminiello v. Chicago (1949), the Supreme Court narrowed the scope of what constitutes fighting words. The Court found that words which produce a clear and present danger are unprotected (and are considering fighting words), but words which invite dispute and even cause unrest are protected (and are not considered fighting words).
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Wait. This means that art with lewd, obscene, or profane content is not protected?
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And exactly what is "lewd, obscene, or profane" is not actually defined in the law.
Surely that's never been abused in the past. No, sir.
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My favorite part of the article is where the libertarians called Lincoln a tyrant who was rightly assassinated.
Very cool and normal.
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Libertarians denounce Lincoln as a tyrant, then spill a gallon of ink praising Coolidge, Eisenhower, and Reagan for brutalizing Latin America and terrorizing American immigrant communities.
They don't give a shit about Freedom and Liberty. They're just white nationalists. They want to bring the old plantation system back.
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Fuck that. I just want our law to apply equally so he would be in prison, like any of us would for the same crime.
The latest move of delaying the sentencing to 2 weeks after election is appealing. He announced he is running AFTER DOJ started investigating him and now judge is afraid to sentence it because GOP picked him despite being a convicted felon?
What's worst is that if he wins the sentence likely will be a slap in the wrist, because they won't want him for example using military to avoid jail. If he loses the election, then he will immediately appeal, and likely judge will allow him to remain free during appeal process.
We have two tier justice system.
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Alas, we don’t live in that world.
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I think he should be tried for treason. And if convicted suffer the full punishment for that. He is a clear and present threat to democracy. No one should be able to invite an insurrection and have it not be taken as seriously as it was.
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Fuck yeah, FBI party!!!
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I disagree.
There's probably a better argument that either:
- Political assassinations (as a subset of misnamed 'vigilante justice') are never good and we shouldn't reinforce that precedent, or
- That person would be a hero to the planet and the future, not just present day America.
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They won't because this is a fact.
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😇
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I'm not sure "Trump is a martyr" leads to the timeline you think it does.
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It does...without his cult of personality I think the magats fizzle out and slink back into the dark corners of society
Maybe they find a new Messiah in Elon, but I don't think he has the lack of intelligence to lie like Trump does.
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Tell me how martyrdom worked out for Mussolini
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I mean these assassination attempts barely stick around the news cycle longer than other shootings and my guess is people are tired enough of him not to care. Hate crime incidence spiked when he won in 2016, so also.theres no version of this election that doesn't lead to violence. May as well excise the cancer entirely.
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… what?
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Trump is going to be a martyr no matter how he dies.
I mean, look how they deified Elvis.
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My bet is that they don't care, since that's clearly an opinion with no intent. Everyone has already been saying basically that when discussing the assassination attempt. Try adding one of the follow-ups:
Follow-up posts added: 'The point of the second amendment is to shoot and kill tyrannous politicians' and 'encouraging politicians to be shot is legal under the first amendment. It's part of what makes this country great.'
Those are even closer to the line (maybe even crossing it) than the initial tweet. This guy was still not arrested for any of it. The agents just feel mandated to act on tips or something.
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Awww. There goes my trip to a black site :(
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Anyone who kills Donald Trump would be an enemy of the people, just like the other scum that fight to keep him from facing consequences for his crimes.
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Enemy of the state, not of the people. ;)
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Can I get a lol with a side of smh?
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This is democracy manifest! Can't a man enjoy a succulent Chinese meal?! A succulent Chinese meal!!!
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Ahh, yes. I see you know your judo well.
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A Chinese meal? THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS!!
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That's less a look of "shame", and more a look of "how am I even in the same subset of genetic distribution as this moron?"
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Democratic regime manifest
Never thought I'd see someone unironically chant Democracy Manifest, but here we are
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lol smh
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They’re the “anti-vaxxers” of politics. Like those who have lived in a world for such a long time without the death toll faced by people pre-modern medicine then complain about having to get vaccinated the people that seek political upheaval and want a dictator never faced living in a country run by a dictator and all the problems that go with it. So tossing out ideas to start a fascist regime are the same as being anti-vax, they’ve never lost children and parents to diseases that vaccines would have prevented over a lifetime, they’ve never had family and friends picked up by State political police, beaten, disappeared or jailed because of something they said or because a neighbor turned them in for something.
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It reminds me of Mike Tyson's quote,
Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.
I think what's happening is that these people.
They live in a bubble, believing it's okay to say anything because of "freedom of speech."
But in reality, they don't even have the guts to insult someone to their face, let alone threaten them with assassination.
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Exactly this.
Based on my 2020 experience, seeing people whining about not being able to go to Olive Garden, I am pretty sure that the keyboard warriors are not prepared for the inconvenience of living in a war zone.
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Ffs, America. You're not well, are you?
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We're like the only "first world" country that has no healthcare and we have more billionaires then any other country and soon to be one trillionaire, what do you think?
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more billionaires then any other country
And a crap load of people living on or under the poverty live working two or three jobs with zero PTO, crippling student debt ratios, sky high childcare costs, no family leave, and on and on. No, you don't seem well.
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This is a country that's more afraid of not having a gun, than not having a doctor. We are not run by adults.
This is a nation that says you can get a license to drive a large metal death trap at insane speeds at 16, die in a war at 18, but you have to be 21 to drink the Evil Fermented No-No Juice..... and 25 to RENT a large metal death trap at insane speed
We have no idea what an adult is.
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The whole country going insane makes me feel like I'M insane, because a rational world view no longer applies.
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Tbh.. When I visited Denver last week from melbourne, sadly I discovered the people there were doing better than here. It seems like a few people here have gotten far more toxic than the US.
Everyone there was super nice.
That being said though, the same kind of voter here causing things to be bad for everyone, seem to be the same as US
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I mean when Trump was shot at, people here had a quite similar sentiment.
Also all the "violence is not part of american political culture" hurrdurrs of politicians and celebrities afterwards are just completely false. Violence and political violence are an integral part of American culture. I think no other country had as many successful and attempted assassinations of their presidents.
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I don't think political violence is all that uncommon in the world. Since the 19th century Japan's had 7 out of 64 PMs assassinated with another ~dozen plots or attempts.
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Did they check on elon musk as well?
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Yes actually. They opened an investigation.
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DAMN! what a bad ass!! /s
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Oh man he's important.
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How many visits does Musky get every week?
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He is currently under investigation for his recent statements
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Nice
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Considering the fucker made a similar statement and is yet to see consequences, not enough.
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Can't you just imagine all those Libertarians sitting around in their nightly circle jerk talking about this? "I really showed those guys!" "You sure did!"
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"I sent them packing with the First Ammendment!" "You sure did!"<fap>
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"They were so embarasses!" "So embarassed!"<fap>
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"Then I decided to take the posts down on my own, not because they showed up!" "On your own!"<fap>
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It sounds to me as though those two guys from the FBI delivered their message loud and clear. Doesn't it sound like that to you, too?
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“Hey Elon, you might want to tone it down a little. Just sayin’”
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"Why? Did they visit a billionaire?"
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Maybe Elon is getting to me, but ... what compels assholes like this to say things like this and not do it themselves? I guess they need to keep away from actually doing it so that they can later claim they never were the ones to do it and that their joke statement was taken out of context.
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I think being a coward is part of the persona
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It's much easier to talk mad shit online when you've grown accustomed to the idea that there are no consequences for anything you say. They're perfectly happy to let the consequences of doing fall to someone else.
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They have no idea what all these words mean. It's embarrassing. Their tweets read like an edgy teenager discovering instant messaging
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Love the expression of the guy on the left. Probably describes everything you need to know about the encounter.
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fart around and found out
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Speedrunning into insanity much?
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wondered what Bill Goldberg was up to, good for him
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i mean, i think anyone who assassinated trump would be a hero too. it really isn't crossing the line and shouldn't be. it's just exchanging ideas.
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he said he'd be a dictator on day one. If nobody manages to kill trump its proof that the 2nd amendment doesn't work.
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Murder is definitely crossing a line. The line is called "murder" and you cross it when you assassinate someone.
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Is it different if they are trying to have you killed? Like am I allowed to hunt my hunters?
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sure but just saying "that assassin is a hero" isn't.
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That he thought got 'em in that video and decided to post it is absolutely hilarious.
"mUh rEgImE!"
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I mean, he kinda did. I am a liberal that is perfectly fine with some exercising their rights. If he was wrong they would have showed ID and arrested him. Although a lot of first amendment auditors lean right/far right I still appreciate what they do.
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Not sure what you are saying here at all? It is not in the first amendment to protect anyone from instigating or encouraging injuries/death to another. They could arrest and detain him and confiscate his computers and start an investigation if they wanted, that just costs more, so they likely are following a protocol of dumb fuck says dumb comment. Start remote investigation. Find something more, make sure he knows they're aware. If he persists things will escalate
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Meanwhile... Democrats be like...
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I don't like this guy, but unless the FBI shows up with a search warrant or an arrest warrant, the FBI can piss right off.
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Nah. If you post rhetoric online that might get someone killed, you get visited by the top brass. Clearly he doesn't have to talk or let them in, but their visit lead to his posts being removed and now he knows he's being watched and has been warned. If he posts something again like that, they may just get that warrant but now they may not need to.
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