Canada mulling ‘game plan’ if U.S. takes far-right, authoritarian shift.
Canada mulling ‘game plan’ if U.S. takes far-right, authoritarian shift: Mélanie Joly
Always a great sign when your geopolitical neighbors quietly start planning for you to go full fascist.
Canada also has plans for if America ever invades them.
But why would they? Let some other country mine resources that you buy at a steal.
I actually have a crackpot theory that Trump's little attempt to buy Greenland (yeah, that happened) was really part of a plan Putin had dictated. And that Putin was trying to align USA+Greenland, Russia, and then Canada. Which is like 25% of Earth's land mass.
I base it on nothing more than maps and stuff.
Like if Putin is trying to play RISK...
Because the US is the only country that could feasibly invade Canada.
Canada is drifting alarmingly rightwards too.
Hope that involves a plan for letting lgbt folks immigrate to safety instead of apologizing 80 years later like they did to the casualties of Nazi Germany who were denied safe passage
I've heard Canadians claiming they're already letting LGBT folks from the US achieve refugee status, but that's strange because Canada has a treaty with the US explicitly stating that they can't take in refugees arriving from the US. So it seems like Canadian citizens think they're taking in LGBT refugees from the US, and will likely be confused and push back when people try to tell them that Canada literally can't take US refugees without the refugee doing a big, long legal song and dance. So my guess is that the Canada is going to claim they're already doing it (when they don't actually seem to) and then apologize again in 80yrs.
Edit: y'all wanna tell me how I'm wrong? As someone who's head will probably be on the chopping block should republicans win the next election, I would really like to know if I can count on Canada not turning me around should I find myself having to show up at the border with my belongings.
I would love to say that I have hope that Canada will be willing to break that treaty, but Canada is still financially dependent on the US, not to mention that people who care a lot about "muh Canadian identity" would definitely be against taking Americans.
Honestly I think secessionism has more of a chance than Americans being let into Canada.
Iirc the stipulations are convoluted. I moved closer to the Canadian border though, just in case.
Canada won't be as eager to take US refugees as you hope. I can't think of a small population dealing with massive refugee inflows from a place that much larger. Think of how destabilising the refugee migrations from Syria were on Europe. Lots of LGBT and sympathetic cases of course but lots of crazy and the amount of entitlement would be overwhelming.
The rest of the industrialised worried will have angry Americans in their faces screaming about their first and second amendment rights every day if there is an exodus.
The people we accept as refugee's today live on the streets. You'd be better off pretending to be straight than moving to Canada now days. Doesn't matter how accepting the government can be if they can't actually govern and throw all the reigns of power over to corporations.
Or women who no longer have control over their own bodies and physical health
I've already checked. I've got enough qualifications that I can just migrate to Canada.
It'll be nice to teach them about what their summers are going to be like.
Canada is going to elect a conservative government, too
The whole world is shifting hard to the right. It's pretty crazy to see happen in real time.
Something something "weak men" something something "hard times"
They don't need to elect anything. Fascism is inherently militaristic.
If the US goes full fascist, then it's only a matter of time.
No place in the world will be safe.
Poilievre isn't conservative. He's pretty much far right.
Two years still. Lots can change and people will see through the piss poor attempt at the Conservative rebranding of Poilievre.
We basically flip between Liberal and Conservative on schedule. Trudeau took a gamble on positive numbers calling the last election early but I think his brand is essentially dead. PP is getting a huge image treatment right now if you've seen his tanned face and new persona, like they're throwing full weight in to making him relatable, and you can tell what a massive effort that is lol. I don't see too much of a material difference between LPC and CPC though, CPC is more shameless but the things LPC does to sovereign nations inside our country should be setting off more alarm bells than they are. People forget those treaties are with the Crown not the Canadian government. Also fuck the Liberals for not changing the vote, they campaigned so hard on that and I can't believe I fell for it first time around. NDP are polling decently well too but with the voting being what it is they're screwed. Although I'm not a huge fan of Jagmeet and how he became leader and think NDP need to do better with their branding and messaging, right now it's like "we're liberals but more authentic" but they need to be more forthcoming with the economic vision and why it will benefit everyone regardless of their identity. A straight white tradesman needs to get the message that he has just as much interest in voting NDP as a nonconforming individual, and I think they really need to tie these messages back to the economic benefit and power of having solidarity with others in achieving material political goals.
Can't wait!
I'm both curious and personally invested on what their outlook on refugees would look like. I've definitely considered the possibility of having to flee to Canada as a trans woman, but I guess the question is how legitimately I'd be able to enter the country and whether I'd have to go into hiding once I get there.
Right now, yeah a trans person can seek asylum in Canada. But the leader of the Conservative Party is a culture war fashy type not too dissimilar from Ron Desantis. If he gets in, it'll be dark days north of the border too.
I'm genuinely confused as to why, knowing that the Conservative/Republican brand has always been to serve big business, deregulating while also lowering taxes for the wealthy while cutting services to working class families, why people en masse would vote for them.
I get it, 2 sides of the same coin and all that jazz, but one side of the coin is just greedy, while the other side of the coin is greedy and is actively stoking the fires of a civil war.
Because some people bel8ve taking any kind of welfare is as immoral as molesting a child.
Don’t forget the racism so bad they’ll screw themselves as long as it also screws “the wrong people.”
It's not that they believe welfare is immoral. They believe welfare that comes without the Jesus Strings attached (i.e., welfare from the state) undermines their ability to market Jesus by giving fully Jesus-encumbered welfare to the hard up.
Most of them don't really believe that. In fact I'm pretty sure most of them don't actually have many beliefs other than "if i just moving goalposts fast enough, I'll never have to form a new opinion on anything."
It doesn't matter who did what so long as their side is right.
Ironically, the other half of their brand is actively screwing with interests of big business. Big businesses also want stability and predictable government fiscal behavior, and republicans are now famous for throwing tantrums and threatening to screw up borrowing and repayment if they don't get their ways on issues that businesses flat out don't care about.
I'm guessing the whole world has been doing some hard mulling since 2016...
Funny story, the whole world will arrive at the same place, just in time to kick off a third world war of stupidity.
The US DOD and intelligence services have been doing it.
I don't blame them. As an American I'm mulling the same.
I just hope their plan includes an asylum path for Americans sick of this doubling-down on ignorance. Not to say Canada isn't without their dumb dumbs either...
Trade Alberta out. It’s been stinging to join the parade of idiots.
Smith and Ford give enthusiastic, limp-wristed waves.
We've got our dumb-dumbs, and they're definitely importing some culture war bullshit from you guys, but the party they fall in behind (Progressive Conservatives) is closer to democrats than the republicans, in general.
We need electoral reform to avoid the same in Canada. The official opposition is actively siding with fascists.
And just like the Democrats in the USA, the Liberals don't seem to recognize the danger. The middle of the road will never save us from the far right.
Build a wall and make us pay for it!
Best get across before Canadians start dropping anti-migrant barriers in the Great Lakes.
let me in. LET ME IN!!!!!
Is it them taking a hard right authoritarian shift?
No. Canada is centre-left and backed by mid left. The right and far right parties will never have enough seats to go without challenge. Most of the authoritarian parties are far right fringe parties that will like see no more than a handful of seats.
You should take another look at what the CPC is focusing on. At their convention this month they voted on what to focus on as a party; two anti-trans policies passed the policy for affordable housing did not. Is the CPC as far right as the US Republican party, no they're not, but Poilievre is happy to court people who are. Also he won't answer non-vetted questions which is a different issue but still rubs me the wrong way.
They're about 40 years late on the draw, there
I mean, Canada might get there first, right? I feel like we both are not doing so hot.
Whole of the West is dealing with it to some degree imo. America is just as always the most noticeable due to the attention it gets in the news around the world.
Yeah the US actually currently has a better quality of life than Canada. Those migrating here should be careful what they wish for. Life in Canada is really hard
Citation needed
I can't find a single source that ranks the US above Canada on quality of life. You got any kind of source for that that isn't anecdotal?
If the country famous for shooting kids twice a day has a better QOL, things sound pretty rough.
I like traveling and I was like oh Canada has so much open land, maybe I should look into traveling and the housing there, and I was completely blown away by the unbelievable cost and just practical shortage. Truly the best of luck to you guys.
Are there any housing policies coming out anytime soon that might address those problems?
I'm just going to keep traveling.
It sucks that that’s where we are but it’s smart.
I for one welcome our future Canadian overlords
Maple syrup and weed for all!
Dump money into military spending, border control, and refugee assistance.
There is no amount of military spending that could protect Canada from the US. The military gap is obscene.
It makes no sense to ratchet up military spending
The US military itself, yeah probably not...But a group of renegade Americans headed North we might be able to do something about.
Weaponize the geese
I meant in the context of self defense because it cannot rely on the US, not that the US would attempt some kind of attack on Canada.
I don't think the context is so much military related but rather diplomatic and economic.
Does the last sentence really come as an obvious conclusion from the first two?
Just a reminder that political affiliation is not a protected class and can be discriminated against with impunity.
University of Ottawa national-security professor Thomas Juneau said many Canadians might find it far-fetched to talk about Washington falling drastically out of step with Canada.
Let's also pay some attention to the fact that Canada may be about to fall drastically in step with the US Republicans at the next election.
Even if the PCs get elected, they're basically democrats if you look at the policy positions and set aside the stupid culture wedges they like to grab onto
The democrats are pretty fucking bad though. Nothing like the Republicans domestically but in foreign policy, which is more relevant to us foreigners, they might be even bigger warmongers.
Why wouldn't Canada and the rest of the world fall in step? The same environmental and economic pressures exist everywhere. Again, not as bad as in the US, but it's going to get worse everywhere.
The Gilead plan.
Under His eye.
The plan: join them as they always do.
This article is from August 17th. Is there a plan or not?
Uh? How bad does it have to get? We're already there.
Given the absolute state of incompetence of the LPC leadership I don't think we have to worry since it seems exceptionally likely that Canada will also be going right. No clue as to the level of authoritarianism involved, I think the CPC will just keep up the LPC's pro-corporation anti-people agenda.
Umm. . .
“If?”
"Canada thinks it might get worse."
Lol, Canada is about to take a far-right turn too. Be sure that Polievre share most of the values of the GOP, he just avoids to talk about it too much. He and his friends are anti lgbt, abortion, immigration, etc. . They dont give a fck about climate change and want to close CBC. He was openly supportive of FreedOMtards truckers parrading with nazi flags downtown Ottawa 2 years ago. So yeah, we are not different from US and most of Europe who elected far-right government, we'rebjust a bit late to the party.
Is the US "doing a Germany"?
I'm not all that worried about authoritarianism in America, for this reason: America is a big country full of lazy, entitled fucks who hate their jobs. And our police are the most lazy / entitled / job-hating of them all.
You are never, ever going to get the number of dedicated spies / censors / secret police you would need to pull off authoritarianism in America; they'll absolutely cut taxes and cut social services, fuck up the economy seven ways to Sunday, and let overseas strongmen run roughshod over smaller countries, but that's what they're about. Even on the limited occasions where Americans do dabble in policing thoughtcrime - the recent spate of book censorship for example - it's half-assed and sloppy and only ever meant as a means to some other end (in the case of book bans, destroying public schools), never something people are actually that excited about in its own right.
So yes, we certainly have to worry about Republicans winning things because they're going to make everybody's lives miserable in a hundred different ways if they do, but authoritarianism is beyond their power to pull off.
Do you have any idea the level of big brother spying already going on in the U.S.? Not to mention the propaganda here is so good you don't even realize you're consuming it.
What in the Hearts of Iron
If?
So is the plan to build a wall?
To flee to Europe (hint: that won't work)?
To invade in order to install democracy (hint: the US tried that 83 times, it never worked — they never tried very hard though)?
To take notes and copy whatever they did?
Canada
Aren't they like, third or fourth place in the list of US's harem starring the UK? Canada's gonna open their legs to the US, as they are wont to do.
I hope the U.S. is mulling ‘game plan’ if Canada takes far-right, authoritarian shift.
Heh "far right" in Canada would be America's Democratic party. America's "far right" is straight up blossoming fascism.
Nah, the right in dangerous up here as well. We've imported alt-right fascism wholesale.
Even is we forget about the attempt at our own Jan 6 with the "Freedom Convoy", the most recent Conservative Party convention had them approving of policies to limit transgender healthcare and ending "forced political, cultural or ideological training of any kind", essentially a giant rejection of "wokeness" and a call to action for a return to "the good old days".
You'd think so, but that poison is spreading up here pretty quietly and quickly.
Well their gameplan for when Brazil lost its far-right authoritarian was to let him just vibe in Florida despite charges against him, so I'm gonna say if they do have a plan, it's probably not gonna make you happy.
I wonder what you guys consider as "far right".
Some examples of far right include:
Unjustified removal of rights of the people. The US has already done this with its bans on abortion and removal of some rights for transpeople.
Radical Conservativism. We are seeing this in the US with book banning and burnings and the fact that the state and church is tied tightly together, despite its claims that its not.
Ultra-Nationalist ideals. The US exhibits this already in many facets.
The US also has a strong xenophobia towards non-Americans and refugees.
While America is not quite there yet, they surly are on track to being far right.
The points that the article suggested were political refugees and NATO weakening due to US isolation starting from Obama. Not sure how xenophobia or removal of rights has anything to do with how Canada operates.
But i know I was asking how to determine far right so thats fair. As of now, I cant tell the difference between right and far right. What I usually expect to hear is anything that isnt chosen by progressives is far right lately.
If you have to ask...
I have to ask what... if I ask then im a far right? Is that the metric you go by? I absolutely love how all i did was ask what people consider far right and i get downvoted with no explanation except 'hurrr why are you asking, you should know! Isnt it programmed into your blood?'