Plex Will Block Media Servers at Abuse Prevalent Hosting Company
Plex has informed users that it will no longer allow servers to be run at a hosting provider where lots of TOS violations occur.
This is the year of the Jellyfin desktop
Year of the enshitification, more like.
It feels like every company just decided 2023 was the year they finally pulled the trigger and tried to cash-out and bail.
Tech has always been geared towards losing money to provide a valuable service but the understanding from investors who don't loan for free is that at some point you turn on the profit engine. Some tech companies are able to generate revenue without necessarily making their product awful for users, but the more pull and pressure investors have, and the more driven by impatience, the enshittifier things become.
The Fed turning off the free money tap last year by starting to raise interest rates was an inevitable wake up call for investors that they needed to change their model to start profiting or at least lose less. Many, many companies, users and products are experiencing US's investors-first-and-only capitalism's inevitable end; it destroys the good it created. Companies without long-term investors or leverage to hold off investors willing to kill the golden goose either enshittify, or if they don't have a way to enshittify, go under.
Interest rates. No free money.
Interest rates went up and the flood of money from investors went down.
Investors are probably demanding a return on their massive amounts of speculative investing in the tech industry.
There seems to be a pattern in services like this where they launch as a good idea that's under priced and take off like a rocket, then growth levels off as everyone is either already using the service or never will regardless of what they do. Once you reach that point, however, you still need to show revenue growth because capitalism, so if you can't get more users you either have to make the service more expensive for the users you have, or cheaper to run. The former we see happening all over the place, and the latter is actually a good thing in limited amounts as unnecessary parts are trimmed off, but will almost always also result in useful features being axed. Hence why everything seems to be getting more expensive and worse.
It’s great. Clean, minimal. Love it. Plex is like a titanic. Way too much heft for me. It’s also corporate, so hard pass
Unfortunately Plex is a catchy name though. I've been with Jelly for a few years now and still call it Plex sometimes
I would love to switch but there's two things stopping me: Less support (if any?) for multi-users and remote access, and less app support especially when transcoding is needed. Also would be nice to not lose Overseerr when switching, I'm sure there's a fork of that though.
This is virtually akin to banning AWS or DO. Hetzner are a legitimate and widely used cloud platform.
This is akin to Google blocking Verizon because of some spam calls. A ridiculous premise that shows huge immaturity on Plex's part.
"a large number of Plex users use the software in violation of its Terms of Service (section "Content and Acceptable Use", bullet items 1 and/or 6), therefore all users will henceforth be banned from using Plex."
Nah, actually we as the plex community need to pull our heads out of our asses and remember that the internet was doing just fine before cloud service providers came along.
If you're not self-hosting, it's not your server.
“Never trust a machine you can’t throw out a window.” - Steve Wozniak
Pirates will move to self hosted if they can still turn a profit, which they can.
Self hosting is easy and convenient and doesn't require a lot of technical knowledge. Plex are literally harming their own business model by driving away non-technical users with a sledgehammer solution that no one likes.
I suspect Plex have a bunch of scary letters from expensive lawyers sat in their office, and this is what they need to do to make them go away.
Feels like plex are heading towards removing sharing media altogether. I wouldn't use it if they removed that functionality.
Same.
I've been pretty happy with Emby as my backup plan.
Okay so serious question here.
Why does Plex get to make this decision?
I don't use Plex. But if they CAN do this, it seems to me there must be some unnecessary cloud dependence in Plex.
A good media server IMHO does not need a cloud connection, it should just work on your local network.
yes, they have a centralized login system. It’s my biggest issue with plex and why i am experimenting with switching to jellyfin.
And that really bugs.
I keep all my media sorted in folders (old school I know). I went to try Plex once a few years back. It launched right into making an account and setting up remote access. Never was clear what if any access Plex mothership has to my media library- does that include filenames, file contents, everything? Sorry but do not want. I VPN back home, don't need the cloud BS.
While I can totally sympathize with a company needing to take measures to curtail piracy and appease property owners, this is like burning down a house to put our a candle.
I personally self host so this won't be a problem for me, but they're gonna hit a lot of people who hosted at this domain, that weren't participating in illegal activities.
I guess Plex must have saw it as prevalent enough to warrant a total ban, it was either really bad, or they're being overzealous.
To be frank, how do you even use Plex without pirating? Ripping your own DVDs and Blurays? And if so, isn't that sort of considered piracy by the powers that be?
Yes, and no. In theory, you could absolutely "back up" any physical media you have to prevent wear and tear to the disc, which is a completely legitimate use case. And it's not considered piracy because by buying that media, you purchased the legal rights to use it for personal viewing. However, if you ever gave a copy of that rip to another person (or gave that disc away to someone else without deleting your rips), you would be commiting piracy.
In fact, I believe that even viewing the media alongside another person is technically not allowed, although clearly that's not enforced unless you're doing some sort of public showing.
I have a mix. Ripping your own is in line with format shifting. Putting a cad into a cassette for use in your car that didn’t have a cd player is the old school equivalent. I believe it is a valid fair use case.
I use it for my own dvds/blu-rays, yeah. This is technically still considered piracy, but my personal view is that I'm fine paying for something once because the people who made it deserve to get paid, but I'm not fine paying for the same thing multiple times when the effort on their end to make the new version was basically zero. It would be one thing if there were physical costs like going from vhs to dvd, but that's not the case here.
Glad I self host all my media
Same. With Plex 😅
Some people are quite shameless about selling Plex access, but playing hosting whack-a-mole is a losing game.
Good. There are people out there who ruin all the nice things. Just host your own damn server and download your own content like a normal person.
The fine Line of piracy is don't make money out of it. That's my hard line
Yep. That's my line too. The folks running paid servers are ruining it for the rest of us.
Exactly. Though usually once somebody does, that's when the authorities get involved.
Why use plex when jellyfin exist?
I'm more than happy with my jellyfin server knowing nobody can block it against my will.
I get why lemmy loves jellyfin...but its odd to me that plex is so often preferred over emby. I much prefer the latter for several reasons...but actually working offline out of the box is one of the top.