Beware of Tankies — a warning for all feds and unbewitting assets
Beware of Tankies — a warning for all feds and unbewitting assets
Authoritarian ideologies ignore that the methods you use for radical change influence the radical change that you wind up creating.
Ugh these people suck so bad. On average, western leftists are worse than useless. Some bullet points are kinda interesting, even if annoying.
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I love how you all swarm, like a bee hive.
Do you take any negative reception to your comments as proof of whatever point you are trying to make? If you have a criticism to make in a public forum, shouldn't you reasonably expect a response that might likewise be critical?
Well, if I walk into a room full of maga and point out that they are behaving like maga and they go off on me, should I take their negative reception seriously?
The article was spot on, and continues to be. I think it’s a little funny that more lemmy ‘communists’ don’t just own up to it.
I guess my view of communism is different. However, this is the internet after all. Everyone is kind of a dick.
Should the people you've gone out of your way to antagonize take you seriously if you actively refuse to even articulate a criticism (even when directly invited to multiple times) and just post vague smug shit?
And look, for all the whining about "dog-piling" and "swarming" that people make about our instance, you can have replies to your comments, or you can have downvotes where nobody expresses an actual criticism and nobody gains anything.
I can’t see downvotes, so, vote away!
We literally do not have downvotes, hence all the replies trying to get somebody to make an actual point.
How can people have this sort of smug self-confidence in their beliefs if they cannot articulate a single point even when directly invited to do so? Literally one of you just make a point and then give a "why". Preferably make the "why" better than "because I received any negative reception for my vague but obviously antagonistic comment."
The article has a bunch of bullets. Pick one. Spot on. My point is the article was right. I mean, just own it. Chasing people away from communism is pretty much all lemmy communists do lol.
And, what I meant is I use voyager as my client, and it allows me to hide the voting thing. So.. it’s just missing. I wouldn’t know if you had or did not have it. You mentioned it. 🤷♂️
Multiple comments have gone through bulletin points and explained why they’re wrong. If you can’t engage with specific criticism then don’t defend the article?
And if you say seriously engaging with criticism will get you a ton of dismissive replies, this is actually what willfully ignoring it will do, and has done.
You have no idea what communism is. I am 100% certain of that.
I do. I’m just not a tankie.
Explain to me what communism is.
Yeah because you're a moron
So what is it
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARE YOU REDDIT INCARNATE?
You pick one! Jesus Christ it was your post in the first place that lead to this whole comment chain! You can't even pick your own goddamn bullet point? You have got to be fucking with me dawg!
Holy fuck seriously, what orgs are you a part of so I know not to have anything to fucking do with them, then you can talk about "chasing people away from communism."
Hell, try elaborating that point even. How do you think we are chasing people from communism? Are our shit-posts just too shitty?
Just stop shit-posting and dunking entirely and focus on promoting the positive parts of communities with equality in a more strategic way to effect measurable change.
Communism is grounded in compassion, in the idea of working toward a truly liberated society, not one that merely replaces the oppressors of yesterday with new oppressors today. And yet, when I look at many so-called leftists, I see them betraying that principle every day, more interested in ideological purity or geopolitical “victories” than in standing for justice. They might claim they’re against fascism, but when they excuse brutality and silence in the name of their ideology, I see little difference between them and the right-wing authoritarians they claim to despise.
Maybe I’m just a soft dick.
It is the communist movements that you decry as 'replacing oppressors of yesterday with the oppressors of today' that have managed to massively improve people's lives. They are the ones that fought against colonialism and capitalism and achieved some success. Not the people who whine about how bad we are and then just side with the colonial metropoles that exterminate and enslave the rest of the world.
The sort of actions and policies that we support have been proven to work for the liberation of humanity. You have been proven to work for the world's enslavement.
Just stop shit-posting and dunking entirely
YOU ARE THE ONE DOING THE SHITPOSTING AND DUNKING RIGHT NOW WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
focus on promoting the positive parts of communities with equality in a more strategic way to effect measurable change.
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU MASSIVE IDIOT
Also hexbear does a lot of community organising and social events, so what the fuck are you even talking about you massive idiot?Communism is grounded in compassion, in the idea of working toward a truly liberated society, not one that merely replaces the oppressors of yesterday with new oppressors today. And yet, when I look at many so-called leftists, I see them betraying that principle every day, more interested in ideological purity or geopolitical “victories” than in standing for justice. They might claim they’re against fascism, but when they excuse brutality and silence in the name of their ideology, I see little difference between them and the right-wing authoritarians they claim to despise.
HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO THE DISCUSSION GOING ON? CONGRATULATIONS YOU SAID SOMETHING BUT YOU MANAGED TO MAKE IT A COMPLETE NON-SEQUITEUR MAKING YOUR POSITION EVEN MORE VAGUE AND INCOMPREHENSIBLE WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU NEVER TALKED WITH A HUMAN BEING BEFORE?
And what exactly are you doing here, outreach and solidarity? Movement building?
The article has a bunch of bullets. Pick one. Spot on
Okay, so, you are saying that you know for a fact that communist orgs 'hyperfocus on bureaucracy'. Which orgs have you been to to know that, I wonder?
Sounds suspiciously as if this is just a vibes-based analysis for you, and that you think that this article painting a picture that coincides worth what you have been told by the people who invaded Iraq and other countries.
No it’s based on observing behavior from ML and hexbear.
Ah, so it is just a vibes-based analysis with you not having any understanding of the topic.
The article has a bunch of bullets. Pick one. Spot on.
ABOUT WHAT?????? HOW CAN YOU NOT GET IT? WHAT IS THAT BULLET POINT SPOT ON ABOUT? YOU STARTED OUT WITH SAYING YOU AGREE WITH THE ARTICLE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO ELABORATE. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD OR THE CONCEPT?
You mentioned it
YOU DID! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN YOUR BRAIN
Well, if I walk into a room full of maga and point out that they are behaving like maga and they go off on me, should I take their negative reception seriously?
Well what if you wrote "heil Hitler" instead of what you did write? Then that would be very bad right? So this means you're a nazi.
What the fuck are you talking about? Liberals and making up weird situations that complicate a simple situation, instead of just relating to the situation at hand: Name a more iconic duo.
The article was spot on, and continues to be.
ABOUT WHAT MOTHERFUCKER? YOU STILL HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE ARTICLE IS SPOT ON ABOUT? HOW? HOW DOES IT DESCRIBE LEMMY INSTANCES? WHICH INSTANCES? SAY ANYTHING PLEASE YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED SO MANY TIMES JUST SAY ANYTHING YOU FUCKING DUMBASS
I guess my view of communism is different.
MAYBE???? HOW CAN WE KNOW WHEN YOU SAY NOTHING AT ALL??
Everyone is kind of a dick.
My grandmother used to say: If you meet someone who smells like shit, then you probably met someone who stepped in dogshit. If everyone you meet smells like shit, then it's time to check under your shoe.
You think people shouldn't be allowed to respond to you? That sounds pretty authoritarian, you tankie.
Is this the first time you come to any forum and start pissing and shitting all over the place?
Try to mildly criticize western anarchists or liberals and I guarantee that you will get dogpiled immediately.
All i see are western communists.
Well, firstly, you need to check your eyesight, because at the very least I am not a westerner.
Secondly, in case you couldn't understand a sentence worth of text, I suggested you go to a western anarchist or liberal forum and try to antagonise them. You will get swarmed and dogpiled right that instant.
Does it make you mad to see others form cooperative relationships? Wistful, even?
Me when I see a community of people supporting eachother: "Wow, glad I'm not like those people! I've got no one and am all alone, which proves that I am living a healthy life. Very rude of them to ask me about my opinion, especially when I can't explain it. Anyway back to my thousands of online accounts I maintain so I can argue with strangers online. And by argue I mean insult people who keep asking me politely to please explain what it is I believe. This will deal a massive blow to the vague concept of authority somehow. Also the US is a force for good and I need to support it."