How tankies and MAGAts view the Ukraine war
How tankies and MAGAts view the Ukraine war
I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).
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lie.
Russia tried to avoid this.
it was Ukraine who violated Minsk agreements.Bot detected. Russia violated 'Trilateral Statement' in 1993, when Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia in exchange for security. And what do you think happened next, dum dum?
Ok. I'll bite. Uh... What?
Weird, even Bill Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Perry understood this:
The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace.
Weird that Russia invaded the sovereign nation of Chechnya murdering their democratically elected leader then just took the country saying it belonged to them.
This has nothing to do with the west. It's just Russia doing what Russia has always done centuries before the U.S. existed. Putin only cares about taking over lands to make Russia what it used to be and will use any excuse. Allies in the west(like you) are only tiny toys Russia has been using.
Putin is a totalitarian autocratic dictator with imperialist ambitions, but that does not negate the globally destructive effects of American imperialism. This is not mutually exclusive.
The Ukrainian population clearly does not want to be under Russian rule. How did American imperialism cause this?
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NATO "expansion" is all an excuse. If Tyler beat up Timmy and a few kids in the class realized Tyler was a bully, and agreed that if any of them got attacked by Tyler they would all help out, and then Jenna hears of this alliance and asks to be a part of it, because she doesn't want to get beat up by Tyler either, it doesn't mean Tyler gets to beat up Jenna and steal her property. It means Tyler should stop assaulting others and stealing things all together and play nicer with other kids in the class.
Cite sources instead of relying on allegory, like this:
Among others, Biden’s CIA director, William J. Burns, has been warning about the provocative effect of NATO expansion on Russia since 1995. That’s when Burns, then a political officer in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, reported to Washington that “hostility to early NATO expansion is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.” source
What am I looking for in that? The parts that say Ukriane is no threat to Russia, and that Russia amassing troops to start an invasion into Ukraine has nothing to do with NATO but rather their yearning to rebuild a Russian Empire?
Also, what do you have against allegory? Do you yearn to be the dictator of communication? Lol