Diplomatic Immunity

None of Star Wars makes any sense in context. From "Darth" to the whole I think I have your dad's lightsaber stashed here somewhere thing to who Luke's family is supposed to be and these days even Obi Wan's weird desert hermit outfit now being official Jedi uniform, apparently or how Vader keeps getting bullied by all of the Empire's middle management.
Honestly, that last one is the most impressive. In retrospect, Tarkin is an absolute badass that doesn't give a crap about Vader's whole deal. And it works. The magic space wizard that basically runs the empire and everybody is terrified of just sits there and takes it. You have to respect that.
- Vader wasn’t originally planned to be Luke’s dad. One of the producers came up with it halfway through Empire.
  Part of being Sith is fucking over others, even those you are “allied” with. The way to become second in command is to kill the current second in command. Tarkin is at the point in his career where killing Vader would probably be a good move if he could manage it.
  
  Wasn't Vader being his dad hinted at in a new hope when Luke talks to obi wan?
  
  You’re not wrong, but what points you to Tarkin being a Sith?
- Most of human history doesn't make sense if you scrutinize it enough.
  The US military, the strongest army in the world, was defeated by a bunch of rice farmers? Come on, get some better writers.
  And the atomic bomb. Clearly the writers didn't know how to end the WW2 story arc so they just came up with this super lazy plot device. And you can see that they don't have any faith into it since they haven't used it ever since, hoping that we would just forget about it
  
  ha! And then the spinoff built up the bomb as the big bad for the whole damn series but we never got a payoff, just a wall falling down. LAZY.
  
  The US military, the strongest army in the world, was defeated by a bunch of rice farmers? Come on, get some better writers.
  The Vietnamese were a sophisticated guerilla force that had already successfully fought the French and Japanese. They had been fighting in that environment for literal decades.
  
  in the original script of humanity the atomic bomb was supposed to just release glitter but it malfunctioned. Dyslexic Einstein shrugged.
  
  Fair enough.
  I mean, when they brought the Russians back as the villains you could really tell they had run out of ideas.
- None of these things are plot holes. Why is it unbelievable that Obi Wan would keep the light saber? You might not have, but that doesn’t mean Obi Wan wouldn’t. Who is Luke’s family supposed to be? Yes, Obi Wan still dresses like a Jedi when he lives as a hermit. Vader is subject to the emperor’s wishes. It’s believable that tarken is very effective and therefore the emperor sees how valuable he is and he could outrank the emperor’s useful idiot attack dog.
  
  See, it's not about plot holes.
  "Plot holes" are a pretty useless concept anyway. Star Wars as a franchise goes so far out of its way to plug "plot holes", and it does absolutely nothing for its consistency or coherence.
  Case in point, Obi Wan the TV series goes out of its way to justify the goofy, inconsistent use of "Darth" as a first name during the Death Star fight and all that did was break the hell out of suspension of disbelief. See also: the entirety of Solo.
  It's about how you as a human can discern meaning. And yeah, in the original Star Wars Jedi Knights are meant to mostly just have been knights, like medieval knights, and likely not fundamentally connected to the idea of the Force. And the robes hermit look is supposed to be mostly Ben's whole deal, not a Jedi uniform, and Vader is clearly supposed to mostly be a glorified henchman.
  And it's fine when you come back for Empire and a bunch of those things are no longer quite true. You shrug it off. Star Wars is "from a certain point of view: the franchise" and it's absolutely to its detriment.
  
  Why would he get rid of it? It'd be like a knight or samurai getting rid of their sword. Or a friend's sword.
- Maybe he never force chokes tarkin cause he's into it and Vader knows this
  
  Oh, go back and watch that scene.
  Tarkin clearly just likes to watch. And he's clearly calling the shots. Vader is this close to calling him "daddy".
- Why does him having the lightsaber seem odd to you? We see him take it at the end of episode 3.
  
  Does it seem weird having your mom's dildo?

"What plans?"
"The plans that were delivered to you."
"He delivered me hope. Didn't you see the previous scene?"

My headcanon is that Vader senses the force in Leia and deep down may unconsciously realise she's his daughter because she looks like her mother, which is partly why he doesn't kill her, even if the stated reason is that they still need to get information out of her.

- You can blame Lucas all you want, but the writting has almost only gone downhill since he sold it. I will say Andor was great, but it was great because of how it diverged from typical Star Wars stories.
  
  Stars Wars always had poor scenario, dialogues, unempressive acting and weak scifi. People who think it just got worse from the second trilogy are blinded by nostalgia. Star Wars value is rather in visual and audio production: planetes, species, costumes, space ships, music, sound design, visual fx etc ...
- This. Vader literally saw her ship leaving the scene of a battle.

Vader could have revoked her diplomatic immunity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwCIaY3BmY
- Yeah but that would have taken like, sooo much paperwork
- I thought cutting her crew members in half was the diplomatic immunity revocation process.

The bit I really like it how it established hyperspace tracking as a thing WAAAAY before TLJ.

Just like Lethal Weapon 2!
- I can hear this gif

Haven't watched Rogue One, what planet Vader blows up before going after Leia?
PS: I've always preferred Dark Forces as being the "canon" for how the plans got stolen for the Rebels
- The base on Scarif is shot by the DS. It's more like a mega nuke than planet destruction. It's the cool beach planet with shore troopers.
- PS: I’ve always preferred Dark Forces as being the “canon” for how the plans got stolen for the Rebels
  From what was it again, Talay Tak base? 😏
  I love it when my brain randomly fires a lost neuronal connection like that.
  I read somewheres that the protagonist in Rogue One was named in reference to Katarn's pilot though—Jan Ors, Jyn Erso. Who knows?

Did Vader ever find out she was his kid? I haven't seen the OG movies in many years so I don't remember
- Did Vader ever find out she was his kid? I haven’t seen the OG movies in many years so I don’t remember
  In RotJ, when Luke fights him on the Super Star Destroyer in front of Palpatine, doesn't Vader read his thoughts? I definitely remember Vader saying, 'Sister ....' I haven't watched the OG trilogy in years too though.
  
  Yeah, you're remembering correctly.
- Episode 6 I think, when Vader is talking to Luke on Endor.
  
  No, when they're fighting on the DS II and Luke is hiding in the shadows. He learns by sensing Luke's feelings and gives the line:
  A sisterrr. You have a twin sisterrr.