Superiority brings controversy
Superiority brings controversy
Re-creation of someone else's post because the original was removed and I found it funny when I first saw it
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The duck can't actually say anything because his sound drivers randomly stopped working.
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PipeWire for life
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Seriously, pipewire is so much better than pulse. I remember having lots of sound issues on my laptop. Sound randomly becoming extremely distorted until I stopped and started playback, microphone volume resetting to 100% earraping everyone in discord calls, random pops and cracks... All of this was fixed by switching to pipewire
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That would be really annoying (when I would use sound)
On the other hand, the Nvidia card I use refuses to work via the external monitor (USB-C) at power on when plugged in. Power on, then plug in, then I have screen... weird.
- Apple: We support apple hardware
- Microsoft: We support hardware from this list
- Linux: You want support, write it yourself.
- Nvidia: You want support, use windows
- Laptop developers: You want performance, oh, you're a gamer, here have a Nvidia card.
You might ask, why a laptop: power consumption for the moments I don't need power. I don't want QHD on 17", 24" is better for my aging eyes so external monitor is a requirement. (previous one had 4K on 15", cheapest screen option to buy)
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- Microsoft: hardware supports us
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I literally never got sound working on Ubuntu. MSI motherboard, Phenom II quad at the time.
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I'm really triggered by the idea that Linux makes running old software easy. The bane of my existence is finding an application that depends on libButts.5.1, but my distro ships with libButts.5.3, which isn't backward compatible for some reason, and trying to install libButts.5.1 bricks the desktop environment for some reason.
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Appimage, Snap, Flatpak, Docker, Podman, Distrobox, Toolbox...
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No time for actual facts, only circlejerking /s
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Well this is linuxmemes
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Most of the people who post these kinds of memes unironically, aren’t actual nix users
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can you not recompile the app to use the new lib?
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Someone probably could. But not me. I am not a software developer, and being one should not be a prerequisite to using an OS, despite what the memes in this very group might lead one to believe.
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that's when you find out that the updated build environment is incompatible with the older libraries the project expected.
usually the only escape is docker, or containerization to be correct, just give the old app and old environment.
this wastes a lot of space though
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Potentially but it's not always that simple. I've literally encountered this exact scenario. OldeShit needs libY 1.9 but pacman is on 2.2. Can't downgrade because libY uses 10 different libs collectively in the depends tree that explicitly need 2.0 or higher. So you take a look at libY and OldeShit builds only to realise several functions that libY provide have been reworked or removed, making it incompatible with OldeShit. As such OldeShit doesn't build.
As an aside, this is quite literally why Microsoft has several different VC Redistributables. To avoid this issue. But this also creates another issue. Lol.
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- schroot
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- PROFIT
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I’ll just leave this here: https://lemmy.world/post/2735721
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The last character: I can make you spend an entire day trying to install some software or configuring something specific
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Oh yeah, I never had to do this on windows!
Wait! That's not correct.
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Maybe I’m unique in this regard, but I can’t remember having any issues installing things on windows since Windows 7. Trying out Linux in college was fun and interesting, but I definitely spent more time futzing around with it to make it work the way that I want it to work.
I think more people would take the Linux community here seriously if people just acknowledged the flaws with Linux based OSes and focused on the actual benefits of Linux over windows. (Which are getting more and more enticing as Microsoft makes windows more annoying.)
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😜
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Linux: I can't install steam without breaking my system
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Steam Deck: am I a joke to you?
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Yes.
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Maybe you and Linus can't...
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Meanwhile everyone can install Steam on Windows/Mac without issue.
Sounds like Linux is great..
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laughs in Wine
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Linux: "my users spend half their time troubleshooting"
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I can't say I share this experience as I spend a lot more than half my time using Linux watching documentaries on youtube in a web browser. If you are obsessed with personalization I could see this happening, but I happen to prefer using default (as in "possible to consistently re-apply") settings on most things.
Regardless, troubleshooting makes you better at resolving trouble that you didn't bring about on your own, and life is defined by unexpected troubles. It is better to be antifragile than happy!
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I guess you're lucky (or much more tech-savvy than me). I tried to switch to linux once many years ago (pre-COVID, which is like ancient times now). It was horrible. Oh, I now need to learn about file systems and NTFS and ext3/4(?) - i guess i’ll try Linux on a separate, old hard drive. Ok, something didn’t work, I now have to figure out what driver wasn’t supported and what I need to download. Great, people on forums are helpful but they’re asking me a bunch of gibberish. Now I gotta figure out this command line thing. Oh cool some people built GUIs for certain stuff so i don’t need to play with the command line, but then the GUI doesn’t work occasionally and now I have to figure out if it’s the GUI that broke or something else. And then at some point I got stuck because of file permissions.
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The key to customization is not going out of bounds. If you customize, do it the way it was intended to be customized, not by finding weird, hacky shit that works like some kind of digital Rube Goldberg machine. If you find yourself writing convoluted bash scripts, and dredging up plugins on GitHub with the last commit from 2012, you're on a crash course with destiny.
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Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.
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I have to use windows at work. I have to spend a lot more time trouble shooting there than on my bleeding edge rolling release linux at home.
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That is because you perform more work on your work computer instead of browsing lemmy all day.
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I've had hard time troubleshooting on Windows because everything is obfuscated behind so many layers. And there's just things you can't feasibly do. But it does seem to work well most of the time.
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I think we should stop trying to figure out what operating system is superior, and just focus on shitting on Microsoft windows.
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I think both macOS and Android are inherently superior to anything I've ever used that was created by Microsoft.
Multiple versions of macOS are UNIX® Certified Products according to the institution that publishes the POSIX standards: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3688.htm https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3673.htm
"Android is a mobile operating system based on a modified version of the Linux kernel" so it is surely easier to liberate yourself by using Android than by using Microsoft Windows.
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When I bought my first (and only) smartphone, I figured that since it was using this partially open source linux-based OS, I'd be able to customise it, get rid of crapware, and remove google's hooks from it. But I was wrong. I wasn't able to do any of those things. Because of that, I don't have a particularly favourable view towards Android.
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What is really clear is which users are most obnoxious, and it's not Apple.
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"I can't build a steady userbase"
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There is a difference between steady and small.
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Actually.... The Steam Deck runs on Valve's custom Arch Linux. To say there is no steady userbase is simply not true.
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What a dishonest argument. They're using a curated overlay for Linux that mostly hides the Linux part from them completely. The fact that there's a "Desktop Mode" doesn't change the fact that 99% of Steam Deck users aren't in Desktop mode.
Edit: If someone bought a smart appliance with a screen whose software was Linux on the backend, we wouldn’t count people who bought that appliance (a refrigerator, for example) as “Linux users”. The Steam Deck is the same way for 95% of its users.
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I don't have a printer.
I don't like open ports.
Decides to remove CUPS.
"apt list -i cups"
There are like 7 CUPS packages and dependencies.
for each package "apt remove cups --simulate"
Get to package 6 and decide 'Ok. No major issues, looks fine.'
For the first 6 packages "sudo apt remove CUPS"
This is easy and painless!
On 7th ...
Removing cups-pk or some shit.... Removing mint-common... Removing cinnamon-desktop...
Oh, fuck
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I feel like I broke my network because I removed python once.
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When I was new to Linux I broke EVERYTHING.
Often.
The more you break, the more you learn.
Nobody tells me I can't modify this file.
Eg. I once accidentally chmodded the entire root directory. (Recursion incident)
Linux does not like when the root fs permissions are ALL changed.
I had no internet at the time. And no idea what timeshift was.
Thankfully, I had a library card.
Learned a lot about permissions that month.
(I enjoy doing things the hard way)
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I did something very similar while I was drunkenly troubleshooting issues on an old laptop and I gave up as soon as I saw the desktop going I just closed the lid and reformatted the next day
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Yeah, you can run old app on Linux, as long as you compile it manually while solving a shitton of dependency problems.
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Still better than getting brickwalled by software.
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And a Flatpak with an end-of-life FreeDesktop runtime from 2019 or something
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2017+3 Mk.III
not just having a backed up schroot of the old OS to run with
schroot -c oldbuntu -u user /path/to/app-
Or a distrobox
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I'm predominantly a Windows user. However I dual boot with Mint as I am trying to get away from Windows. It's really not easy but I'm trying.
I gotta say though these types of posts make me cringe. I really don't know why some Linux users put themselves on a pedestal all the time. You make these sorts of smug posts making out that Linux is perfect. I have never installed Linux and had it just work. There is always something that requires searching the web for a fix and firing up the terminal to start changing something in /etc/.
I get it. You're proud of your technology. But vegans are proud they don't eat animal products. We don't need to keep selling it to the rest of the world.
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I've found it easier to use KDE to switch from windows as it feels like a more complete ecosystem that I'm familiar with. And it is pretty great, until I install one bad graphics driver and then I'm stuck in a terminal only session until I can fix it. At least windows has safe mode.
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Meanwhile KDE/Fedora gave me the most issues on both my laptop and desktop.
The UI drops to 1hz refresh rate for some reason.
My mouse cursor theme was causing issues with Firefox. My mouse would just disappear when using Firefox.
Konsole and Dolphin kept opening in a tiny window, where I had to expand it every time to see the text. No amount of saving preferences would fix it.
The logout button hard locked my PC. Only way to fix it was to reboot my PC with the power button.
Steam constantly locked up, even when trying to play games rated GOLD on Protondb.
Davinci resolve refused to launch. Kept giving me errors.
I then gave up. Most of the issues never got fixed, and the ones that I did manage to fix took HOURS of Googling. These are all such basic features/tasks that literally work out of the box on Windows/Mac.
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What problems do you have most often? Can you come up with a description of a class of problems you have that would account for most of the time you spend troubleshooting?
Who provided the documentation you used to install a Linux operating system you had trouble with? I don't recall having serious issues after installing openSUSE or Fedora Linux or even NixOS, and I certainly don't recall having any issues of above-average importance that weren't a direct result of my intentional actions (e.g. trying to permanently change what DNS servers would be used).
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If I want to dd /dev/zero to my bootsector, goddammit, let me do it.
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I was having trouble getting a DVD ripped, so I thought "Fuck it. I'm going to try dd". I used .iso for the file extension, and it worked.
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I mean that is more a product of how .iso files are just the whole disk as a binary with a file extension
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sudo pacman -R glibc
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Re-creation of someone else's post because the original was removed and I found it funny when I first saw it
If the original was removed, there's probably a reason.
This "meme" chooses the dumbest reasons Linux is better when there are so many other options than "updates" and "old app"
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It's yet another "Linux good, other OS bad" meme, which is by far my least favorite kind of Linux meme
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The reason the original was removed can be found at https://www.kevinswildlife.com/modlog/1016 by searching for the user "Kaped". Apparently it was because that user broke the rules regarding "No bigotry" and "Be respectful" on https://lemmy.ml/ and a mod wanted to "remove content".
I doubt those reasons were actually related to the post this one copies, as it doesn't seem bigoted, and probably isn't much less respectful than other !linuxmemes@lemmy.world content.
Also, memes can still be memes while being dumb. Unsophisticated stuff can also be funny! Perhaps fart jokes and other body humor are examples of this.
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I had the opposite problem with Windows 11.
My typical way of shutting down my machine was Alt-D, Show Desktop, then Alt-F4, which brings up a shutdown menu.
For whatever reason in Win 11, they made this menu unable to trigger updates. So for the first several months of my Win 11 install it was quietly never receiving any updates at all.
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Funny, what kernel does android run?
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I don't know but this page might help one find the answer: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+kernel+does+android+run
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I think it's humorous how many people are getting offended at such a silly post
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So many people here are butthurt because of a small meme that pokes fun at what 90% of end users experience.
Its not Linux's fault they can't take a joke about windows. And yet somehow we are the elitist snowflake gatekeepers, or whatever buzzword they wanna use today.
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It’s always entertaining when people complain about not being able to stop Windows updates.
Like, has it occurred to you that you are the reason the MS had to prevent you from being able to update your system?!
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If updates didn't randomly delete user data I'd be slightly less worried.
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I had forgotten about https://www.howtogeek.com/658194/windows-10s-new-update-is-deleting-peoples-files-again/
Thank you for reminding me!
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If only all updates were fully backwards compatible it would not be an issue.
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What do you mean? I don't think any other operating system even comes close to Windows in regards to backwards compatibility. Most software designed for Windows 98 will still run fine on Windows 11.
There are thousands lines of code in the NT kernel with patches for specific programs. There is even a line patching an incompatibility with Lego Island, lol.
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If updates were fully backwards compatible, they wouldn't be upgrades, they would be addons.
Windows has been notoriously backwards compatible, because it is extensively used in any business and tons of those have old machines that need to work 20 years before they pay themselves back, and thus need compatible OSes to run it.
Lately, Microsoft is finally trimming the fat that has been dragging along for decades, while still maintaining the compatibility by making it optional.
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No, obnoxious elitism breeds controversy - or more likely, indifference.
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Isn't Android just Linux under the hood? You are free to brick your device with root access.
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Yes, but a lot of devices don't support getting root access, or come with caveats from doing so (I remember at least on Sony devices in the past, doing so permanently erased the proprietary camera blobs which resulted in forever low quality pictures).
That being said, you can disable system apps in Android (with exceptions, can't disable SystemUI obviously) which is about as good as deleting them. Since they're on the system partition which is separate from the user data partition, it doesn't actually grant you any usable free space anyways AFAIK.
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Eh, if you have root access, you can move things back and forth to the system partition if you want to make different use of the space. Not that that's a good idea, but you can do it. You'd be better off going the custom rom route if you need the space that much. Or it used to be better; no idea if the current options for roms actually do it the same.
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You don't even need root access to delete system apps. You can do it easily with ADB.
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And local ADB over wifi is a thing, so another device isn't even needed anymore.
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Yes and no. It's more akin to virtual system based on a running linux.
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Linux users are like Vegans. No one likes them and they won't stop bratting about being a Linux user.
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I'm slowly going down the open source rabbit hole, but I have yet to fully go down the part where you preach about it like it's a God. I hope I never get that far, as I also use Linux from time to time as well. I ain't looking to be one of those annoying users who constantly brings it up if I can help it.
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Talking about Linux is fine. Coming into any tech/tech support post, screaming that Linux is the answer, even if the person explains why they need Windows/Mac, is not.
It's like the Christians that comment on a dying persons tiktok about how God knows best, and God will heal them lmao. Literally not helpful and extremely ignorant and rude.
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You can stop unnecessary update on windows by using LTSC, on Android you can delete system app with adb or root
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Thank god adb is an option, though doing that, or rooting your phone, is something that requires some fiddling with hidden settings, or wading thru a seemingly endless stream of AI copy-pasted "tutorials". XDA has most answers, but not all of them, unfortunately.
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Unfortunately I'd rather have not learned anything related to what you posted. Android is hostile to GPL licensed software and Microsoft Windows surely is too, and they may use copyrighted or patented technology in their construction, so if I learn about them and then create software their creators may be able to build a case against me that I'm harming them, and I don't want that to be easy.
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That's the another story, the point is we can stop unnecessary update on windows and uninstall system app on Android
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Group policy too, or tattooing the registry with the same changes that gpedit makes.
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On the plus side, even if you did need to update Linux, it's not like you are running anything on it anyways.
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I saw a post on Lemmy super recently how Tux Racer is literally better than any other game ever made, and how that's the power of FOSS gaming. It was not satire.
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Today I spent 50 minutes figuring out why my app could not set itself as default for www.instagram.com links. I don't have IG installed.
Turns out the latest Samsung OTA update re-enabled Meta App Manager, Meta App Installer and Meta Services. Any of which, while enabled, will result in the user setting an app to handle certain domain links, only for the users action to be instantly reversed without notification.
Edit: that's a gif if it doesn't show up correctly. I had an app advertise itself as IG but Meta kept hijacking the link handler. An uninstallable Samsung forced Meta app, that enables itself back after each OTA update.
If this was on desktop, someone would already be sued. But android? "Sorry can't uninstall system app"
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That's a Samsung issue, not Android specifically
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Hey there I came across this program on lemmy. Maybe that could help uninstalling Meta App Manager. https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater
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Also my Samsung tablet wants to use the emmc as swap space with no way to disable it 💀
I'm sure this wouldn't cause any performance issues at all...
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Are you using a carrier device or an unlocked device? All of my Samsung devices are unlocked and have almost no bloat, no meta stuff in sight.
Regardless, check out methods of uninstalling system apps with ADB. If you don't have a computer to use, the app, LADB, let's you use ADB commands on the device and executes them over wifi through wireless ADB
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I don't have Meta app baked on my S23. Could be a region thing?
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Don't buy scummy Samsung devices. Any company that comes with Meta bloat, even when you buy them outright, fully unlocked, doesn't deserve your money.
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My first smartphone was a Samsung. It was also my last Samsung device.
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How is letting you brick your install with little warning an advantage?
rm -rf / you dont have permission to do that.
sudo rm -rf / [linux dutifully commits sudoku until rm itself is gone]
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And I think it’ll remove “rm” and keep right on going because Linux copies commands to ram then runs them, yeah?
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Oh yeah. I've done it just for fun before reimaging a machine. It will mostly complete (some stuff isn't a real file so rm just fails), and your desktop environment will remain up and running while it happen. Then errors start popping up, icons stop working, nothing loads anymore, you can't reboot or shutdown because those were actually commands, and they're missing now...
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If Linux was an alcohol commercial: (NSFW) https://youtu.be/BcjKTDIRCKI?si=msp_CTu5BcCeQ-XZ
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Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://youtu.be/BcjKTDIRCKI?si=msp_CTu5BcCeQ-XZ
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.
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If your computer is doing puzzles while running the mindless tasks you assign it…. I suggest maybe finding more stimulating tasks. Just saying… ;)
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The duck should be Linux Mint, the only linux distro thats never given me an issue on any computer I used in my life. Sometimes I contemplate turning off timeshift because its been years since i've needed it and the 30-50gb space could be better used.
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Been using arch for more than 3 years never had a single issue that can't be easily fixed. But this is not the case for everyone. And this is not the case with mint either so, It shouldn't be any specific distro.
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It's actually pretty easy to permanently disable updates in Windows.
- Go to Services.msc
- Find Windows Update Services
- Changed it to Disabled
Done.
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...seems like a bad idea
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it is usually not a great idea to not get updates on Windows however deferring them until later is usually not a bad idea and depending on your risk scenario updates may or may not I'll be all that necessary. however from a cyber security standpoint not updating Windows is moronic.
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This only works for a while on Windows 10 as the service will eventually become enabled. Depending on release we saw some PC's last a month while others could last a year with the service disabled.
For anybody wondering why, these stations had deep freeze which reverted any changes upon reboot.
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that makes sense for a deep freeze scenario
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You can't delete system apps on Android, but you can disable the ones that won't break your phone if they're disabled. I currently have Chrome, the Play Store (and, at least to an extent, Google Play Services), YouTube, and YouTube Music all disabled.
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You can, pretty easily. Enable developer mode and use adb. Doesn't need root. (At least I didn't for YouTube; not sure about the rest)
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Hm. I'll see if this works for YouTube, YouTube Music, and Chrome. They're only collecting dust right now since I switched to ReVanced and Firefox. Thanks! (I still need the Play Store since Google Play System Updates are run through it.)
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Well if you root your phone you can definetly delete any app.
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This is true, but I'm not at the point where I feel the need to do that. There are things I like about Google's Android and things I dislike about it. I just try to mitigate what I dislike about it as much as possible.
If Google stopped allowing 3rd party app installs, I'd definitely switch, though.
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I can't run Easy Anti Chat
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EAC has officially supported both Linux and Mac for 2 years now
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Just installed Ubuntu today for the first time in at least a decade. Touchpad two-finger scrolling is so sensitive. There’s no setting for it. I have to replace the driver with the synapse one, if my laptop supports it.
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android is linux (but different)
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The original source of this comic seems to be "xibang" / "seebangnow" based on https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/9k4jkw/damn_ducks/ https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/seebangnow/list?title_no=56163
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That smile tho
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linux is barely better than macos in terms of backwards compatibility, literally the only stable api is the syscall one
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Android also can't install old apps
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“I breed insufferable, socially awkward users who are incapable of understanding subjective like and dislike and constantly feel the need to make fun of other peoples opinions. People who can only respond with the equivalent of ‘u mad bro’ or ‘it’s just a joke I keep repeating over and over; which, only people that hang out with me find funny. Despite very clearly and consistently demonstrating a massive superiority complex’”
And no I’m not mad, just figured I’d call y’all out for continuing to be the equivalent of that annoying seventh grader who won’t shut the fuck up at the back of the bus. lol
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You sound really upset for someone who's not mad.
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And you still walk into right into my point lmao
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I'm trying to infect you and everyone you know with the Unix virus. Your perception of me beyond that is of much less importance (though it would be better if you made the process of empowering political leaders less bad or gave me money or something like that).
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Yeah but who really cares?
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Linux, if we're counting the entire userland and typical components rather than just the kernel and its interface, definitely has worse (binary) compatibility than Windows, and potentially even Mac OS. The only saving grace is things like Flatpak which bundle the entire system tree they need with them and therefore have pretty long-lasting binary compatibility. But it's quite normal to have to recompile some old software from scratch when some common system libraries get updated, really only core things like glibc have long-lasting binary compatibility, and you can't even guarantee that compatible system libraries still exist even when compiling from source sometimes, because every project has a different approach to backward compatibility.
Now, to be honest, things are much better with containerization (like flatpak/snap/docker/etc.), but that doesn't really help you much for software that's older than those unless someone bothers to try to figure out all of the dependencies and package them up and it still works. The only reason why it seems to be okay is that Linux distributions recompile all of the deps for you every time something changes and you get everything all at once, so you rarely see any of that all break. But if you have anything compiled from source, and you didn't statically link the whole thing, you'll see the problem.
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Has linux solved drivers yet?
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