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you see, these 2 are equally as bad because a german that doesn't speak a word of mandarin and has not ever visited china provided me a satellite picture of a big building and wrote a fan fiction about it.
Yeah like wtf is this lmao, apparently "war crime" is now when bad country does bad thing
Well Americans are certainly telling Chinese users that their government is committing warcrimes like the meme says
In which war lol?
Exactly lol
Genocide?
Yeah, that is indeed one of the grab bag of accusations that Americans are hurling.
palestine?
No bro, the real genocide, the one that doesn't have a single piece of photographic or video evidence, where no probes have found any evidence, and where the allegedly victimized population has seen their standards of living rise enormously and the previously ubiquitous violence has all but stopped.
If the palestine genocide were a real one surely Blinken would have condemned it like he did the one they
fabricatedsaw in Xinjiang.
Uyghur genocide
? The UN has thoroughly investigated and concluded that the 'Uyghur genocide' is a fabrication https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ohchr-assessment-human-rights-concerns-xinjiang-uyghur-autonomous-region I suggest you read it rather than have it filtered through biased western media orgs, and I trust their investigation a lot more than those from countries like the US that have a vested interest in painting China as negatively as possible
Even if the propaganda were true it would constitute a crime against humanity not a war crime, unless you consider the ETIM terror campaign a 'war'
Chinese shills don't even read their own posts.
Fucking disappointing to see lemmy to be taken over by ccp sympathizers.
Next people here are gonna explain how students in Tiananmen Massacre deserved what they got.
Cya lemmy it was nice for a time!
The students in Tiananmen Square did get exactly what they deserved. A safe evacuation after the fighting in the streets surrounding the square got too intense.
LOL when a liberal doesnt know that lemmy was literally created by a group pf "eeviill tankies" in the first place.
Oh noes, the ebil gommunist seeseepee tankies!!!1!
How dare they stand for the truth that even the Arab League didn't find China commiting genocide or oppressing the people of Xinjiang and disproving the now abandoned false narrative about Tiananmen Square.
No no no, your views should thoroughly align with the US state department. CHINA IS EBIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bye, won't be missed
A fabrication? Did you even read that pdf? I quote:
Serious human rights violations have been committed in XUAR in the context of the Government’s application of counter-terrorism and counter-“extremism” strategies. The implementation of these strategies, and associated policies in XUAR has led to interlocking patterns of severe and undue restrictions on a wide range of human rights. These patterns of restrictions are characterized by a discriminatory component, as the underlying acts often directly or indirectly affect Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim communities.
So, no mention of genocide?
Sure, it's all rosy. :)
No one's said there's not problems and criticisms to be made, but there just isn't a genocide no matter how much your narrative requires one
Here you have comment, from this thread, of someone saying there's basically no problems: https://lemmy.ml/comment/16144139
Denial of racism and abuse by the Chinese state is rampant here on Lemmy, don't pretend otherwise.
Oh and please don't assume my narrative. I hate the US more.
You believe that china is engaging in a genocide first hand?(as opposed to simply supplying the perpetrators like the US )
And still hate the US more?
Seriously though if you don't have a inherent bias against China, then why do you think their engaging in a genocide of Uighurs with no evidence?
Yep, no war crimes 👍
It’s true, your screenshot shows no war crimes. You failed at sarcasm.
I was agreeing with them, I posted the conclusion to show people they've not commited war crimes, just "serious human rights violations". Sorry if my intentions didn't come through in my comment.
That has no mention of a war that has China as a belligerent, can you specify which war you think these crimes are occurring as part of? and specify them?
I'm agreeing with you, the CCP hasn't commited any war crimes, just "serious human rights violations"
Ok, but there is a difference between the two, and no one here said China hasn't committed serious human rights violations, they have and I condemn it like I condemn all serious human right violations including those committed by the US and it's allies, domestically and in the numerous recent and ongoing invasions, wars and conflicts they've started, in addition to their war crimes
Saddam's WMDs
Sandinistas killing babies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiEhITvJuyE
You can watch this and look for any evidence of your claim. You wont see any. Or you can take my word for it when i tell you i literally spoke to a uyghur from Xinjiang on XHS the other day and they were chillin enjoying life.
Either way maybe dont just take the word of whatever Western Media mouthpieces tell you?
All vloggers are paid by CPC, every Chinese you meet on the internet are bots. /s
C’mon bro we can’t seriously be debating if the Uyghur genocide is real. Obviously China isn’t all evil but this is a well documented genocide.
And bro why you pulling the “I’m not racist, I have a black friend” card. Shut yo bitch ass up
"It's well-documented!"
"May I see the documents?"
"...No."Read the UN Report your fellow shill tried to cite.
You’re never gonna get the communist utopia you want, China is not your friend, stop acting like such a clown, get off the internet, loser, and touch grass
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Is this, like, your catchphrase?
well documented genocide.
source?
the UN, it addition to numerous countries including those with a Muslim majority population have investigated and concluded that the claims of genocide are a fabrication
The claims of genocide that appear in western media can be traced back to single source; Adrian Zenz a german christian fundamentalist who is on a self described 'holy war to destroy China' and writes books such has 'Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation,'
Do you really believe this nutjob is a more reliable source on events in Xinjiang than the UN's Office of Human Rights?
Bro did you even read the wiki article you linked, idiot. It talks about how numerous agencies/new outlets confirmed his research that there exists an ongoing genocide, detention, and sterilization programs of Uyghurs. The article goes into detail on how Zenz is the target of multiple misinformation campaigns to cover up his research. However, it also notes that you are in part right because he is exaggerating the numbers. (At least your dense, mush brained ass got one part slightly right)
From the UN’s Report on Xinjiang, 2022
Serious human rights violations have been committed in XUAR… the underlying acts often directly or indirectly affect Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim communities
The report goes onto state how Uyghur’s are placed in detention camps with terrible conditions where forced surgeries, sexual violence, and torture have been reported. (VIII, 145)
Multiple times the report states Uyghur’s are being stripped of their liberties in the region.
Why are you citing a source that doesn’t even reflect your claim 🤡 Learn to read, better luck next time
Please read the entire article and don't just cheery pick the things that fit your pre-conceived notions
Stop moving the goalposts, my claim is that their is no genocide, the only source you quote alleges serious human rights violations, that while obviously terrible(and I condemn them, just as I condemn the US's similar but greater and larger in scale abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, CIA blacksites etc), are not synonymous with genocide
Which sources on that page present evidence of genocide? if any such source exists why didn't you quote them?
Read the UN’s definition of genocide and tell me this doesn’t fit the bill.
Why are you trying to argue the semantics of what’s happening to the Uyghurs? It’s a brain dead thing to argue and is also as you say “moving the goalposts” from your original claim which was “there is no genocide taking place.” + you’re wrong
Get a grip man
I agree with the UN when they concluded that there is no genocide in Xinjiang
From the UN definition you supplied, one of condition that needs to be met;
A mental element: the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group
So lets compare the fabrication with a real genocide such as the ongoing one in Gaza, they're are numerous statements from the Israeli government that declare such a genocidal intent, such as "Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7" "there are no innocent civilians there"
"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly." - Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant
And here's a database of 500 statements of genocidal intent from Israeli government leaders
I'll repeat I don't deny that China has committed human rights abuses, but I concur with the UN OHCR that they fall far, far short of the definition legal and otherwise, of genocide
For this one condition to meet the definition, could you provide sources that show such a callous and widespread intent to wipe the Uyghurs off the face off the earth from the Chinese government similar to those from Israeli state for it's current genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?
Also bro you sound like an 8th grader who thinks they’re the shit cause they watched a YouTube video about Mao. You talk all pseudo intellectual and try to use modifiers like “I concur” as if that strengthens your argument somehow. It doesn’t and it makes you sound dumb and like you have no ground to stand on.
Go touch some grass you loser
" Also bro you sound like an 8th grader who thinks they’re the shit cause they watched a YouTube video about Mao. You talk all pseudo intellectual and try to use modifiers like “I concur” as if that strengthens your argument somehow. It doesn’t and it makes you sound dumb and like you have no ground to stand on.
Go touch some grass you loser "
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Good intel on Israel, thanks?
Let me make sure I’m reading this right, but the only way for you to accept a modern day genocide if the perpetrator of the genocide comes out with the same statements as Israeli leaders? That’s awfully narrow and rather off topic tbh.
The UN is reporting that the “anti-terrorist” laws in China are being abused in order to target a specific group of people and make their lives horrible. But I guess since their genocide is under the guise of “anti-terrorism” and China’s Minister of Defense didn’t call Uyghurs animals it doesn’t count.
And what “fabrication” are you talking about. Are you trying to deny that the Uyghurs aren’t being targeted?
For one condition could you provide a source that shows how Uyghurs are living perfectly peaceful lives without any genocidal intentions against them.
You're clearly intentionally misinterpreting me in bad faith
To the same point I've held throughout this entire conversation i.e that the actions of the Chinese government in the Xinjiang province do not constitute a genocide, I have literally used the definition you provided to illustrate how by that standard and using the evidence from the goverments accused themselves you can see how a real an active ongoing genocide such as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza meets this definition, and that although the Chinese government has committed human right abuses in Xinjiang by the definition you provided they do not constitute a genocide
Yeah, not really comparable when it comes to war crimes. If someone wanted to conflate a topic that makes both countries look similarly bad in an honest light, it would be the treatment of ethnic minorities.
the treatment of ethnic minorities
You mean the US having the highest prison population in the world, to the point of 1 in 5 black men over 30 having been to jail at some point of their lives?
That would not be an honest light. China actually takes their affirmative action seriously and not just pays lip service to it while continuing to enact genocidal policies like the US still does on the indigenous peoples of the mainland and occupied Hawai'i which has been gentrified and settled to the point of being unlivable for most of the locals.
The claims of China's abuse of ethnic minorities are a scam espoused by the same people profitting off the genocide in Palestine. Anybody who takes the evidence seriously instead of treating accusations as trustworthy because of the volume of them doesn't understand (or chooses to ignore) how the US propaganda machine has always worked.
People still on that "China genocide" bs are about as ridiculous as people claiming Iraq had WMDs into the Obama years. It's a level of gullibility so big that it has to be voluntary.
enact genocidal policies like the US still does on the indigenous peoples of the mainland and occupied Hawai'i which has been gentrified and settled to the point of being unlivable for most of the locals.
And the same has been said about tibet, inner Mongolia, and xinjiang. I mean you can look at Chinas own census data and see that han Chinese are migrating to cities in xinjiang, displacing ethnic minorities to move away from their cultural cities.
The claims of China's abuse of ethnic minorities are a scam espoused by the same people profitting off the genocide in Palestine. Anybody who takes the evidence seriously instead of treating accusations as trustworthy because of the volume of them doesn't understand (or chooses to ignore) how the US propaganda machine has always worked.
You are conflating the accusations of genocide in one region with the accusations of ethnic discrimination. Even in that grey zone article it is conflating the study from some weird neocon group with all investigations into ethnic discrimination in China.
Han chauvinism is an established concept that even Mao took aims to curtail. Something they are still combating considering there has only been one ethnic minority to serve in the central committee in the last 35 years.
An actual criticism that I have about Xi is that he is a bit culturally conservative. The belt and road initiative utilized a lot of han centric language and the current central committee is notably the first committee that has no women serving on it in the last +25 years.