Why are the Democrats so spineless?
Why are the Democrats so spineless?
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Why are the Democrats so spineless? | Moira Donegan
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Not just them, anybody with fucking power. Where is the military right now? Theres a fucken coup happening in plain sight.
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well, no, not a coup, a constitutional crisis, but not a coup
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It's not a coup unless it's from the Potomac Valley region of the US. Otherwise, it's just a sparkling crisis.
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It's a distinction without a difference. It's an unlawful seizure of power.
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Idk man I’d say it falls under the definition of coup. With extra steps sure, still a coup tho imo
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Unlawful seizure of power is a coup . . . oh . . . wait . . . Trump has complete immunity . . . nevermind
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I was just asking a friend this last Friday. The party is led by out of touch boomers, backed by moneyed interests, and refuses to change. They'd rather not rock the boat or be the cause of a division in our society. Yet here we are, more divided than ever and growing by the day.
At least it wasn't by their hands?
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you don’t see any other actors or forces that have led to division?
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The dems have no coherent message and strategy because they are an attempt to unify basically everything that isn't the far right under one banner. That means that different politicians under it, and different voters that vote for them, want fundamentally different things. Taking a firm, party-wide stance that satisfies the left wing of the party would risk driving off the segment that is just "conservatives that dont feel comfortable with how openly bigoted the republicans are", and vice versa. But trying to please everyone by committing to nothing and running on good vibes eventually results in people getting frustrated with voting for a party that doesn't advance what they want.
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And yet Republicans have successfully runs on being everything the left is not under one banner successfully for two decades now, taking over the entire federal government.
That's because the Republicans aren't afraid to tell their base they'll do it all regardless of it contradicts with something else, even if they know it's controversial, and they push all of it through and let's everyone know they tried to push it through. They show to their members they have their backs regardless of how stupid it is.
Meanwhile on the Democrat side, you don't have a single mainstream leader that's willing to do that and actively squashes anything that might upset the moderates or their donor resulting in no one feeling like the Democrats will actually fight for them because they won't.
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In this tumultuous and historically dangerous time, what are the dem centrist leaders pouring their efforts into? This corporate whoring BS to crack down on illegal streaming. And not much else. I hope the check the movie industry cuts to the DNC is worth it.
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This is something else that the Republicans have always had an edge on.
I can't remember exactly how the saying goes. Something about trying to serve two masters and you end up pleasing neither. Republicans have learned that message. Democrats have not.
Even before the days of Trump, Republicans have always given one clear, consistent message and you either have to take it all or leave it all. You want the immigration policies? You take all the bigotry and tax cuts for the rich that goes with it. You want religious freedom? Then you take our anti-abortion policies too. If it's that important to you, then your option is to hold your nose and vote for us. Trump has streamlined the process and put a face to the ideology, but the underlying tactic is the same. One man, one message. Take it or leave it. There is no option B.
Democrats have never learned that. Think of it. Even when Trump isn't in office, who is the face of the Republican party? Trump. He will be the face of the party long after he's dead. And his party's message will be the same as it's been for decades: This is what the party is all about. Take it or leave it.
Who's the face of the Democrat party? What consistent message have the Democrats ever sent? They try to be a broad umbrella for everybody who isn't Republican. They have no party leader. No face of the party. No message. They try to please the independents and centrists and end up pissing off the far left, only to try to please the far left and alienate the centrists. It's the epitome of trying to please two masters and pissing off both. It's the epitome of "jack of all trades, master of none". It has always been this way. They have never, ever learned that trying to please everybody just ends up pissing everybody off. They need to learn one thing from the GOP: Find a message, stick with it, and stop trying to be all things to all people. If the people are on your side about an issue that's that important to them, they'll hold their nose and accept the rest.
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Easy answer: because they are led by centrists who stand for nothing much beyond being in the middle so something can get done. The very nature of centrism is to not be in favor of either side of a political spectrum. Everything is negotiable, lately even the current value of human life abroad, which will come back to our shores. Centrists sure as hell cant lead much of anywhere coherent, or win elections. They can be proud of something like an infrsatructure bill, and they feel like that should be enough to get voters to the polls for them. Its just not. Anything uncontroversial enough that the right wont object to is not going to animate the left either. They can't win on road-building and post office branch naming.
Parties need money to exist. Without voter funding from people and groups who want to get specific things done, the only funding they can get is from corporations who want dirty favors, so centrists inevitably become the dirty corporate favor party too. Or, "whores" if you will. Its whore or starve for these folks.
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When their idea of "starve" is to live the normal middle-class lifestyle they've actively deprived us of.
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because they're paid to be.
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"look, there are good billionaires. We're going to take money from the good billionaires, we won't accept money from the bad ones."
The new DNC "leader"
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just saw that clip today.. this guy is exactly what you expect of the dnc- they're signalling they haven't learned a thing. hope democrats are looking forward to jd vance and co.
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We’re going to take money from the good billionaires, we won’t accept money from the bad ones
As a lifelong Dem, thats just inspiring right there. "You'll all service the clean Johns only, not the diseased ones. Some trickle down goodness to you poors may or may not happen in the process. Now everyone put on your knee pads and get on your knees. The boss billionaire is entering the building."
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Lmao because they are just as beholden to corporate money as the right
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I think that's mostly true, I see Democrats as the power brokers. Basically they hold power between the people and corporations and attempt to maintain order. This was the mo of Republicans until Trump.
I think that they probably believe they're doing the best they can, but the reality is they serve corporations first, us second.
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They're bought-out by capitol, just like the Trump Troop.
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Money. They want money.
They're not spineless. They just have different values than you.
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They certainly had a spine when standing up for Netanyahu.
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Because none of these scenarios happened on The West Wing so they have no idea what to do
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It's almost like they're all part of the same club, despite calling themselves different political parties.
It's almost like there can be things that exist in this universe which have one side, and then you can flip it over and it has another totally different side, but it's still the same object regardless of which face it's showing.
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Neoliberalism.
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Luckily for us it should not matter. Days of free and fair elections are over. If you understand what that means please let people know. The sooner we can separate ourselves from the controlled opposition real opposition can emerge.
We are talking about a 30+ years project here. Governments die, ideas do not.
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They're paid to.
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The Democrats are spineless because a bunch of them are still capitalists and don't want to mess with the status quo and disturb the money faucet that funds them. They're just as bought and paid for as Republicans, they just try to hide it behind virtue signaling and empty words.
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I guess the debate is if that’s indicative of how well they represent the voters.
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There's a protest planned for today near you. If you'd like to attend below is a bit of info.
Some more media mentions, mostly local and brief:
- Fox 9 St Paul (MN): https://www.fox9.com/news/50-states-50-protests-feb-5-2025
- KVRR North Dakota: https://www.kvrr.com/2025/02/04/project-2025-protests-planned-wednesday-at-all-50-state-capitol-buildings/
- Shreveport Times (Louisiana): https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2025/02/04/what-is-the-50501-movement-find-out-more-about-the-nationwide-protest-anti-fascicm-against-trump/78208443007/
- Savannah Morning News (GA): https://www.savannahnow.com/story/news/2025/02/04/where-are-people-protesting-in-georgia-against-trump-the-50501-details/78207555007/
- Dallas Observer (TX): https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/where-to-go-in-texas-for-the-reject-project-2025-protest-21675389
- Clarion Ledger (MS): https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2025/02/04/people-plan-to-protest-donald-trump-administration-in-mississippi-see-where-when-immigration-dei-ice/78207203007/
- Westword (Denver, CO): https://www.westword.com/news/denver-fifty-state-capitol-protest-when-where-what-to-know-23293344
- Newsweek, a second article: https://www.newsweek.com/50501-protests-update-anti-trump-march-50-states-expands-2025741
edit:
- the Savannah GA story above seems to have been picked up by USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/02/04/where-are-people-protesting-in-georgia-against-trump-the-50501-details/78207555007/
- CT News Junkie (Connecticut newsletter?): https://ctnewsjunkie.com/2025/02/04/50501-movement-rally-planned-at-connecticut-capitol-wednesday/
- Herald Dispatch (WV) - very brief: https://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/protest-against-project-2025-planned-at-state-capitols-wednesday/article_4e7efd0e-e33e-11ef-95da-e7064df63151.html
- Longmont Leader (CO) mostly sourced from the Westword story: https://www.longmontleader.com/colorado-news/nationwide-protest-against-trump-and-project-2025-planned-in-denver-tomorrow-10181600
- Phoenix New Times (AZ): https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/phoenix-arizona-fifty-states-protest-when-where-what-to-know-21131150
- KSNT Topkea (Kansas): https://www.ksnt.com/news/local-news/two-protests-coming-to-the-capital-city-on-wednesday/
- Herald Net (WA) - brief mention: https://www.heraldnet.com/news/protest-planned-wednesday-at-snohomish-county-campus/
- Kennebec Journal (Maine): https://www.centralmaine.com/2025/02/04/trump-project-2025-protesters-to-gather-wednesday-in-augusta/
BONUS:
- Snopes article with some info on who started it https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/02/04/anti-trump-state-capitol-protests-february-5/
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The exact same reason, regular folks with zero chance to ever be rich in the USA, defend inheritance tax like their lives depends on them... the are ignorant and/or think they are just about to "get there" and don't want to limits to apply to themselves
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Fat right only understands bullying and clearly that's the only thing that works. Supporting Trump and other far right idiots should be an equivalent of wearing a "dunce hat". Shaming actually works.
All these people want is for their external trauma to match their internal one and I say let them have it.
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Unleash AOC. Put her at the front with backing she deserves from the party.
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That was an excellent oped. Ibreally cant find any fault in it. The wet noodles running the party rihht now are a detriment to America. They simply are not up to the fight. They need to get in the mud or cease to be a party.
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I mean yeah, but the better use of time is covering the takeover.
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and the greens. why have the greens not put an end to this.
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In related news, frog with all legs removed becomes deaf.
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Whatever. Voters gave all the levers of power to the rebuplicans. Now don’t come asking for democrats to come to the rescue when they have no power at all.
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The DNC wouldn't know what to do with power if they had it.
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What are you talking about, they give it immediately back to the republicans when they have it in the name of compromise. Even to the point of doing it before the negotiations happen
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Its not like they did anything when they did have the power.
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What does The Gaurdian expect Democrats to do, without the Constitutional power do it?
In the last election The Executive Branch (Presidency), The Legislative Branch (Both houses of Congress) had their control swing Republican, couple that with Trump having already packed The Judicial Branch (The Supreme Court) with a Republican majority, and that's the whole ball game.
Democrats seem spineless, because not enough of The American People cast votes in Novembers election to give them to power to do or stop Republicans doing litteraly anything all.
Elections have consequences. More Arab and Latino Americans cast a vote for Donald Trump in Novembers election than have ever voted for any Republican candidate before in American History. Leftists on the other hand spent the Spring and Summer of an election year, on nightly news, marching on every major American city, and taking over University commons across the country, protesting Jews, in support of Islamofascist terrorists, chanting "From The River To The Sea", and telling anyone that would listen they weren't going to vote for "Genocide Joe", which I imaging not only freaked out Middle America, but All of it, with the kicker that Democratic youth vote was the lowest on record this past election, while Republican youth vote was the highest.
Donald Trump won his second term as President of The United States by 2.3% of the vote, and the Left suppressed the Democratic Youth Vote.
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protesting Jews, in support of Islamofascist terrorists, chanting "From The River To The Sea", and telling anyone that would listen they weren't going to vote for "Genocide Joe",
Oh hey look it’s the rare genocide supporter that helped cost the election.
Funny they blame people being against genocide by Nazi state like Israel yet stay silent on the millions of dollars Kamala received by Zionist lobbyists to continue a campaign so disliked by everyone.
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The way I saw the last election was like this:
People were demanding the Dems to stop supporting genocide, but Kamala was not going to make any changes on that front.
However, any other option would wind up allowing Trump to happen, which is just objectively a worse scenario.
It's like we all saw a horrible fire headed our way and we needed to choose which bus to get into. People advocating for the blue bus knew it wasn't the most ideal bus since they were helping throw gasoline on an external fire in another place. But the red bus wanted the fire and was the cause of the fire and clearly wasn't going to stop throwing gasoline on that external fire anyway. People were protesting that the blue bus needed to stop helping put gasoline on that or else they won't help people get on the blue bus. And now we're stuck with the red bus and we're all on fire.
Granted, the protesters weren't necessarily the strict cause of us being stuck with the red bus and us all being on fire, but they sure didn't help. And them acting morally superior is childish considering they didn't help us try to get out of our own fire and the external fire is not any better due to the red bus, so their protest effectively did nothing anyway as everyone else already knew was going to be the case.
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Funny they blame people being against genocide by Nazi state like Israel yet stay silent on the millions of dollars Kamala received by Zionist lobbyists to continue a campaign so disliked by everyone.
Funny that the anti-electoralists and protest vote crowd were just fine with enabling the installation of another nazi state but in the US that would provide more support to the ongoing genocide and expand it to other areas like LGBTQ+ people and aiming to start another world war. The least that they could do is take responsibility for their actions but, I don't see that happening.
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So you decide that the best course of action is to allow a man who has explicitly stated he just wants to see the whole place razed to regain power? How did that help Gaza at all?
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What does The Gaurdian expect Democrats to do, without the Constitutional power do it?
I've been asking this since the election, and the best answer I get is being told to go fuck myself.
The GOP has control of all three branches of government, along with over half of the state governments. Every single state in the country swung to the right in this election, to some degree. They get to spend at least the next two years, most likely four, having the power to do exactly nothing but sit back and watch. The most they can do are angry tweets and messaging bills that won't even make it to the floor, let alone get a vote. What the fuck does anybody expect the Democrats to be able to do about it? The last available option is the Senate where Democrats can still throw a monkey wrench into the works until the GOP decide to yank the fillibuster. And once that's gone -- and it will be gone -- Democrats will literally have no power other than to sit there and be benchwarmers.
You had your chance in November, but at least some of you decided to stay home because "Genocide Joe", "old man bad", or "teh price of muh eggz" and when you're told that Trump would be worse saying "Yeah but at least its different". Well, this is what you get. Elections have consequences, and you just gave Trump all the power to do anything he wants because fuck you that's why. You don't get to complain now when all Trump is doing is delivering on the promises that he spent his entire campaign explicitly making. You don't get to act all shocked and surprised now.
The time to do something about this was November 5, 2024. And Democrats as a whole decided to take that opportunity and hand power right back to Trump.
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I've been asking this since the election, and the best answer I get is being told to go fuck myself.
Well state governments, for one, should be doing a lot more to resist Trump's rampage. I mean that fucker withheld FEMA money from California right? Why is nobody saying anything about that?
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One thing Democrats could do at the federal level is to withhold consent for Trump's appointments instead of rubber-stamping them.
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Democrats seem spineless, because not enough of The American People cast votes in Novembers election to give them to power to do or stop Republicans doing litteraly anything all.
Maybe if the Dems stopped tossing people into prison for protesting genocides, or for protesting police abuse of authority, there might be more people able to vote for a Dem?
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American voters and the left in particular told the democrats to eat shit and fuck off. Suddenly they want to be saved by these same democrats they called fascists?. How does any of this make sense?
The democrats should just take 4 years off and let the American voters reap what they sowed. They’ll be ok they have money and property. It’s the voters who get what they asked for.
Why help or fix anything if the voters are just gonna tell you to fuck off and give the republicans all the credit? It benefits them far more to let the republicans wreck everything
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